Posted on 11/26/2009 7:11:08 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
I have a fair amount of sympathy for your perspective about personally verifiable FACTS.
However, I’m chronically prone to arguing the other side.
1. There IS NO TRULY 100% “OBJECTIVE” FACTUAL REALITY in our flawed time/space dimension as quantum physicists are so prone to affirming. Even the “hard” “science” of physics cannot any longer claim OBJECTIVE FACTS without qualifying the subjective and . . . relative aspects of the observer and even of that being observed.
2. WHEN a person 100% congruently INSISTS that they will ACCEPT NOTHING AS FACT which they have NOT OBSERVED AND VERIFIED PERSONALLY AND THOROUGHLY OBJECTIVELY
THEN
they have just fallen down Alice’s rabbit hole wholesale.
A) They are no more 100% purely OBJECTIVE than anyone else alive.
B) They will never have 100% of the perfect pristine 100% accurate facts about anything any more than anyone else will—personally observed, or not.
C) LOTS OF THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY APPEAR—even in physics experiments.
D) IF ONE WERE TO BE 100% CONGRUENT AND FULL OF INTEGRITY ON THE POSITION THAT ONLY PERSONALLY VERIFIABLE ‘FACTS’ CAN BE ACCEPTED PERSONALLY AS ‘FACTS,’
THEN, SUCH A PERSON WOULD HAVE A VERY LIMITED (IN TERMS OF SCOPE, OPTIONS, FLEXIBILITY) LIFE; AN EXTREMELY SHORT LIFE; AN EXTREMELY UNINFORMED LIFE; . . . and actually . . . a rather ignorant life.
E) LEARNING THINGS 100% TOTALLY AND ONLY BY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE has never been correlated well with
—maturity
—success
—wisdom
—great knowledge
—understanding
—accurate predictions
. . .
I believe that what it comes down to is that essentially what you are insisting on is
that YOUR uniquely biased, flawed, clever, knowledgeable, learned, . . . whatever . . . subjective, imprecise, imperfect,
perceptions, measurements, observations
and the imperfect, biased, flawed, subjective THOUGHTS related thereto
JUST HAPPEN TO BE GREATLY BETTER than what you can collect from the array of ‘others’ out there reporting on the same thing.
. . . or put another way . . .
What when you have what —one? 3? 5? 8? 12?
UFO’s parked in your back yard . . . and an equal number of UFO pilots stiffed in as many freezers in your garage,
THEN you’ll KNOW something compared to knowing virtually nothing now.
I’m saying your criteria for KNOWING is more than a little troublesome, flawed.
And, it sets you up for . . . relatively . . . long periods of
relatively
greatly week degrees of knowing and probably very weak confidence therein.
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Functionaly, in some ways, I’m more like you. I consider a very small number of things to be ABSOLUTELY KNOWN by me in the UFO field. I BELIEVE a larger number of things to be true. I hold very loosely but consider probably true a much larger number of things.
However, I accept confirmation from The Lord on all such in a wider variety of ways that you seem to. I’ve learned at 62 that I do NOT HAVE to EXPERIENCE everything the hard way first hand to accept things as true.
Quix, you seem like a nice enough fellow, but my observation is that you’re waaaaaay out on some orbit beyond rationality, as far as the ET subject goes.
I mean, if you don’t see the difference between something that you KNOW, and something that you simply BELIEVE, then there’s very little meeting ground for our two minds.
I’m really not interested in delving any deeper into this very philosophical discussion with you. I’ve spoken my simple piece in about a dozen different ways, and there’s really nothing else for me to add.
It’s been interesting talking with you, but I’ve got to let this go now.
As you wish.
I’m mostly saying that the
much ballyhooed
FIRST PERSON PURPORTEDLY RIGIDLY OBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONAL “KNOWLEDGE”
is just over-rated. Sometimes vastly over-rated.
Of course “CERTAINTY” is different from “BELIEF”
I’ve just learned that in the most intensely held “certainty” there’s USUALLY a good dose of “belief” . . .
and . . . often enough . . . perhaps even . . . hiding in ‘belief’ are some nuggets of certainty if folks could but see them.
MORE LINKS AND ARTICLES ON THE TOPIC:
From:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/169389/revealed_possible_reason_for_cattle.html
Cattle mutilation has been referred to by former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm as, “one of the greatest outrages in the history of western cattle industry.” There are current tests that are being done by researchers that could point a finger at who the culprit is behind what science calls bovine excision.
Over the last ten years, I have investigated many different theories of cattle mutilation. There is one theory that stands out further then all theories.
During WWII, a few of the German scientists began to do research on the soft tissue of many different types of animals. They found that the soft tissue found in most types of cattle is very similar to that of humans.
During some of the illicit and torturous experiments that were done on humans in concentration camps, some of these scientists attempted to pass bovine diseases to humans as a new type of plague research. This research never fully ended.
In 1945, the United States Government brought many German scientists to the US in a project that was called Operation Paperclip. The purpose of this program was to make sure that the knowledge of these scientists did not fall into the hands of the Soviet Union. Many of the scientists that were brought to this country were the same scientists that conducted inhumane research on prisoners in concentration camps.
Throughout the late 1940’s and all through the 1950’s, these scientists were under military watch and were instructed to work on many various projects. Some of these projects became fruitful and ended up leading to NASA, the ICBM project, and cures for various diseases. By the beginning of the Sixties, many of these scientists has been released into the general populace to work on their own projects. Even though they were considered as independent researchers, they were still semi-protected by the military.
The first reported cases of cattle mutilation in the United States were in the early 1960’s in Pennsylvania and Kansas. By the end of the decade, reports had begun to spread around the country.
During a cattle mutilation, the soft tissue and soft organs of the animal are cut out, and taken. During the first few years of reports, rough incision marks could be seen in the area surrounding where the tissue had been extracted. Today, no incision mark can be seen which leads many to believe that lasers are used in the vivisection.
In FBI agent Kenneth Rommel’s report on cattle mutilations in 1979, he stated that the mutilations had become, “more professional in nature and execution since the first report.” He concluded that the responsible party or parties had learned better techniques for covering their tracks since they had begun.
In Rommel’s report, he stated that he did believe that in most cases of mutilation, the same party had been responsible. He also noted that the military had not been very supportive of his investigation. Rommel requested that a formal investigation be made into why the military had not been more forthcoming with information. The request was denied.
During the release of the Freedom of Information Act, many of the documents that pertained to Operation Paperclip were released. The military has always held that many of the projects of the Operation would never be released. It was also made clear that certain experiments were ongoing under the guise of the military.
In 1974, a report was released by the FDA that proved that the soft tissue of cattle had the exact same reactions to high levels of radiation as human tissue. According to Rommel’s report, cattle mutilation reports jumped by 185% from 1972-1975. He never made this connection in his report. It can be easily inferred that the FDA report and escalation of reports can coincide.
Another connection that he did not make in his report was that many of the cattle mutilations at this time were done around government testing sites, or nuclear facilities. During this period of three years, only fifteen percent of cattle mutilation happened outside of a hundred miles of any government or nuclear facility.
A further look into the theory of, “protected Operation Paperclip testing,” shows up from the years of 1986-1994.
In 1986, one of the major news stories was the Chernobyl disaster. The cloud from the fallout circled the globe for at least eight years. During this period, we find that the amount of cattle mutilations skyrocketed. Previously, an average of 600 identifiable cases of cattle mutilation had been reported a year. From 1986 to 1994, over two thousand cases were reported a year.
I decided to look into this further a few years ago. Through state records of mutilations, I was able to plot the dates and locations of mutilation during this time period. There was a definite pattern that started in the Western US, and ended in the Eastern US every few months. It was a wave of mutilations that started at one end of the country, and ended on the other.
I was then able to find the path of the fallout cloud over the US. Many universities have the map of the path somewhere in their science department.
The fallout cloud did not end up over the US until the end of 1986. It would spend about two months going over the nation, and then be over non-US soil for about five months before returning.
If you were to overlay dated maps of the mutilations, and of the fallout cloud, the paths match with 97% accuracy. Only three percent of the mutilations either did not correspond in date or location.
In the years after the dissipation of the Chernobyl fallout cloud, cattle mutilation reports plummeted in the US until the turn of the millennium. Currently, the rate of around 2000 cases of cattle mutilation a year has resumed. This corresponds with the outbreaks of mad cow disease. Cattle mutilation has also since become more prevalent in France, England, and Canada. These are all locations of severe mad cow’s disease outbreaks.
The final question that is left is very easy to answer. Qui Bono? Who benefits?
If the military were to release that a protected arm of theirs were doing research on disease and radiation in cows, what would happen to the US cattle industry? A collapse of the cattle and beef industry in the US would cost taxpayers billions to support the needy farmers.
Also, questions would arise about what other types of work was being done behind the scenes. It is much easier for the military to hide behind an, “I don’t know,” then to be exposed by a, “Yes.”
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from:
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1107/cattle4.html
Cattle Mutilations - Senseless Mutilation or High-Tech Examinations?
by Patrick Cooke
The investigation went national in April 1979, when a special investigative conference was convened in New Mexico, by Senator Harrison Schmitt, a former lunar astronaut turned politician. He expressed the futility confronting investigators when he stated, “These crimes are obviously continuing, despite the excellent efforts of state and local law enforcement officials, and the growing publicity the mutilations killings have received.” Since its first major exposure in the fall of 1973, the cattle mutilation phenomena had claimed the lives of over 10,000 head of cattle by 1979. This conference turned the federal spotlight on cattle mutilations and that opened the federal coffers. In May 1979, Kenneth Rommel, a former career FBI agent, headed the project known as “Operation Animal Mutilation. The investigation was undertaken by New Mexico’s First Judicial District, and funding came from the Justice Department’s Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. The result was The Rommel Reports. Not to anyone’s surprise, the Rommel Reports were a rubber stamp of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation’s conclusions. Nothing at all strange was noted, just predators and slow-witted yokels, that got over excited. One rancher even labeled the controversy “Cattlegate”, referring to an obvious government cover-up.
The National Institute for Discovery Science isn’t ready to say yes, to an other-worldly connection, yet, but they’re not throwing out the possibility, either. The privately funded research organization is conducting a serious study of the connection between cattle mutilations and UFOs.
Mutology has become a positive force by the duck and cover tactics of the official investigations and the mutology network, coalesced and began to influence public and official opinion. Linda Howe, a television journalist turned mutilations enthusiast, has authored books on the subject and produced a documentary. Howe is a prominent backer of the alien abduction theory, and became a regular on the UFO convention circuit due to her mute theories. Other mutologists are bringing the phenomenon into clearer focus and provide a needed buffer to the official whitewash. As with the UFO phenomenon our government feels that the old “keep them in the dark = keep them calm” attitude is in the best interest of the people. And with good reason, because UFOs may be the only intelligent answer we have.
Are UFOs The Answer?
Consider the questions:
* What organization on Earth has the need to butcher cattle and other large animals, remove organs, blood, and flesh at great risk, with criminal ramifications, in a clandestine manner?
* If such an organization does exist, why not obtain the animals legally at an obviously greatly reduced cost and risk?
* What group has the advanced technology to perform these operations, with world-class precision, thousands of times in remote locations, with the tons of equipment obviously required?
* What are the odds that an Earth-based organization could conduct such a massive and complicated operation from the air, without a mishap?
* Why would such an obviously well organized and highly skilled group even consider such an aerial project, in light of the safety risks and legal ramifications if apprehended, while violating federal aviation rules?
* What organization has the resources to accomplish this feat thousands of times over large areas, without detection or apprehension?
* Who can leave unidentifiable material as the only evidence at the mutilation site?
* Why do the majority of eyewitnesses claim that UFOs are present during the incidents?
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A very good article from the Argentine perspective with a lot of scientific type observations:
http://www.ufoinfo.com/news/argentinamute17.shtml
ARGENTINA: Mutilations in La Pampa
By Raul Oscar Chaves (CIUFOS-LaPampa)
Translated by Scott Corrales, IHU
(c) 2007
As a fellow researcher once noted regarding ufology, this field of study does not grant a full answer to the phenomenon despite the efforts that have been carried out over the course of the decades. Why could this be? Perhaps because the phenomenon lacks any logic whatsoever, and it becomes necessary to understand this.
This opinion is the result of our experiences as field researchers and not mere speculation: the accumulation of information does not necessarily imply the understanding of knowledge, especially the comprehension of a phenomenon that is as atypical as it is illogical.
And I want to make reference here to cattle mutilations, since our experience has consisted mainly of engaging in field research in the province of La Pampa. Not having gone deeper into this research has not been due to a lack of will or ability, but rather, due to the lack of professional support, both veterinary and laboratory alike, institutions of higher learning, etc., with the exception of those who made a superlative effort to clarify the wealth of existing cases.
However, neither experts nor field researchers were convinced by the explanations offered by bureaucrats at the time, much less by childish answers that drew attention to the characteristics of the cases themselves. It was thus that the absence of the following became known:
1.Anatomical parts
2.Almost the entirety of blood (7% of the animals weight is the weight of its blood)
3.Absence of fetuses in cases of pregnancies ascertained by palpation, without detecting any labor
4.Absence of corneas
5.Absence of significant muscular groups in unopened bodies (longinis dorsis)
6.Absence of various glands
7.Visual confirmation of the nearly complete exposition of the uterus, circumstances that would ascertain the extraction/disappearance of the unborn animal, presumably through suction.
8.Verification of the existence of electromagnetic radiation over and around the animal.
9.Verification of the existence of unknown chemical compounds on the animals, impacting the carcasses span of preservation.
10.Discovery of bodies with severe burns (calcinations of the hard palate) both in digestive and respiratory tracts.
11.Discovery of unknown substances in the form of gelatinous drops over the carcasses, which could never be sampled. Why? Because when attempts were made to recover them, the substance changed its state to become liquid before crystallizing and vanishing altogether. This substance would be a necessary ingredient in the mutilations, with its impact depending on the degree of sublimation achieved.
12.Verification of the various preservation times, stretching up to 20 days before putrefaction sets in.
13.Verification through the use of clay ovens of temperatures of between 180 and 200 centigrade to cook meat from mutilated cattle, with 8 hours elapsing without the meat cooking at all, only emerging slightly toasted.
14.Discovery of carcasses showing signs of mutilation in various stages (up to 3 stages) in a short span of time.
15.Verification of the perfect preservation of a body in which 60% of its hide and hair were included, after a period of 3 years. Rigidity of the ocular orb due to exposure to a high source of light or heat.
16.Verification of extreme hardness in the hides, resulting from exposure to radiation.
17.Verification of states of deterioration and degradation caused in carcasses whose original position had been moved, without natural putrefaction ever occurring.
18.Verification of the existence of nearly conical imprints of unknown origin in the ground, proportionally distributed (with a depth of 15 cm, an upper diameter of 10 cm an a hexagonal format) and very close to the carcasses.
19.Discovery of carcasses beyond the perimeters of farms and ranches.
20.Discovery of animals in atypical postures: on their stomachs, on their backs (legs in the air), with depressions of 5-10 cm beneath them.
21.Verification of the existence of hematomas, internal bruising and fracturing in animals facts that would suggest the animals being hurled or dropped from a height.
22.Discovery of animals with blue and emerald-green eyes; others displaying signs of blindness.
23.Verification of the existence of incisions that suggest the use of hitherto unknown technologies.
24.Verification of the existence of a pathogen in various parts of the body, greenish-blue in coming and of unknown origin.
25.Verification of cattle mutilation in unborn specimens that were still within the cows wombs.
With regard to the draining of water tanks, it has been possible to find evidence of effects on sub-aquatic flora growing within the tank notorious changes in coloring, flattening and spiral shape, suggesting the possibility of their disappearance through suction.
The impact of burns on insects and toads within the same water tanks was also ascertained.
With regard to the condition of the pastures in locations where the mutilated cattle had been located, these areas showed a distinct change in coloration presumably resulting from the impact of electromagnetic radiation. The disappearance of microfauna was also observed.
The foregoing arises from the research conducted by Ciufos-La Pampa in over 300 cattle mutilation cases that have occurred in La Pampa and western Buenos Aires province. This was made possible through the collaboration and advice of experts from a number of fields of endeavor.
The first chemical compounds detected outside of Argentina in mutilation cases suggested the existence of Oxyndol in very high, atypical concentrations. It is believed that the sedative properties achieve positive results through gradual applications, rather than immediately, and would not produce severe burns such as the ones detected (except for unknown states of sublimation) and which would result in sudden death due to heart attack.
The cases from La Pampa and neighboring areas revealed the presence of formaldehyde— a chemical compound that manifests itself as a colorless gas with a penetrating odoron the animals. This chemical can be compressed until it achieves a liquid state.
Much like oxyndol, formaldehyde would lack the capacity to yield immediate effects with definite results, under normal circumstances. It can be lethal in higher concentrations. It has aseptic/disinfectant properties and is used in the preservation of samples and cadavers, and can produce skin, eye, nose and throat irritation in humans.
These pathologies were detected by witnesses and researchers alike when approaching the carcasses. Odors similar to ether and formaline were detected, and their presence would have kept vermin and carrion animals from coming close. It should be noted that in two specific cases of consumption of meat from mutilated animals, the flesh had an acid and bitter taste, and could only be eaten after boiling.
In one of the cases in which the parties involved are a witness and the pack of dogs he employees for small game hunting, [consumption of the meat] resulted in a soporific condition that went from 22:00 hours on one day to 17:00 hours the next, continuously.
Opinions posited by professional veterinarians at the time suggested that given the presence of formaldehyde, human involvement could not be dismissed. These chemical agents or compounds, having narcotic and preservative properties, provide a heightened degree of aspepsia which affected witnesses and researchers alike, causing them to manifest such pathologies as impact on the eyes and airways, allergies of undetermined origin, significant weight loss, alteration of melanin levels, lack of bodily stability, liver and intestinal trouble, hair loss, weight increase in muscular mass, intense muscular aches, alteration of normal values in clinical tests, etc. While the mutilation phenomenon centered largely on cattle, it has also affected horses, sheep, dogs, cats, hens, rabbits, domesticated pigs, wild pigs, deer, llamas, guanacos and even humans, as evidenced by the case histories.
Finally, it should be noted that there were specific cases in which the animals involved could survive [the mutilations] but had to be put down due to the extent of their injuries.
In closing, we can remark that the presence Intelligence with a thorough knowledge is at work. The existence of various stages of genetic manipulation would undoubtedly become evident as well.
Raul Oscar Chaves
UFOINFO would like to thank Scott Corrales (Inexplicata & Inexplicata Blog) and UFO UpDates for granting permission to use this article. To keep up to date with follow-up reports and discussions you are advised to subscribe to UFO UpDates by writing to Errol Bruce-Knapp at: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
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Lots to read later today, thanks for the pings..
THIS SOUNDS PRETTY CONVINCING, DAVE. I’m skeptical it’s 100% of the total picture but it’s a convincing tale.
From:
http://www.usmutes.com/report.html
The First Operative
Cattle Mutilations
101 - A
” Girodo went on to describe an East Colorado ranch that he knew to be under heavy security-with guards, guard dogs, chained access routes, and so forth.
The ranch was owned by some sort of doctor.”
The Mutilation Mystery by Ed Sanders, Sept. 1976, OUI Magazine
” Ya, I remember that ranch! It had UFO’s, Unmarked helicopters, and a lot of very strange things happening there.”
Cpt. Keith Wolverton, Cascade County Sheriff’s Office, Retired. Feb. 20, 2005
” Even if John was involved, I wouldn’t admit it!”
Louis Girodo, Chief Investigator, Trinidad, Colorado, Retired, Feb. 17, 2005
” In Colorado’s Morgan County area, there has also been reports that a helicopter was used by those who mutilated the carcasses of the cattle, and several persons have reported being chased by a similar helicopter”
Senator Floyd K. Haskell, Colorado, August 29, 1975
Orientation
From the fall of 1973 to the fall of 1980, farmers and ranchers were plagued with one of the most peculiar phenomena’s ever to occur in the history of the United States. By the end of the 1970’s cattle mutilations had occurred in 22 states covering just over 1.28 million square miles of mostly private land. To date, not one person has ever been arrested, or linked with the surgical mutilation of those cattle and other livestock, until now.
Originally, several theories were put forth. Predators, Satanic Occults, UFO’s, and Government Biological warfare research. By the end of 1975 the predator and Occult theories were dead, but regrettably the UFO theory stuck for three decades now. The “ ET did it” theory is an absolute lie.
UFO - ET theory Defunct
An incident occurred in mid-December of 1974 that made cattle mutilations synonymous with UFO’s. Prior to that, all the reports were about mysterious, and sometimes-unmarked helicopters. A cow was found mutilated on a farm belonging to Frank Schiflbien, near Kimball, Minnesota. There had also been a number of UFO sighting in the state at that time. Terry Mitchell, an amateur UFO buff made a cursory examination of the mutilation site and came to the conclusion that hovering aliens had beamed a high-energy ray at the cow. He also noted broken branches at the location that he chalked up to a UFO moving in and out of the area. There were also indentations in the farmer’s pond that he claimed had been made by UFO landing gear. Mitchell’s theory created a media moment that escalated in to a telephone interview on the Tom Sayder’s NBC Tomorrow Show in late 1974.
Dr. J Allen Hynek, Director of the Center for UFO Studies and a professor of astronomy at Northwestern University caught wind of the event and took an interest in it. He asked his good friend, Donald E. Flickinger, a special agent for the Treasury Departments Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms to investigate it for him.
Flickinger went to Kimball and interviewed Frank Schifelbien. The UFO hypothesis was rapidly discredited. The holes in the pond were watering holes, and the tree branches had been broken by the wind and by Schiflbien himself. All the rest of the evidence was examined and found to be groundless. However, word of Dr. Hynek’s interest in the case spread quickly across the U.S. After that, every light was a UFO. The CIA jumped on this like white on rice, and used the UFO farce as cover for the real reasons behind the mutilations. The government was doing secret biological weapons research.
Purpose of Report
The report will conclude that a veterinarian in Colorado was performing some of the surgical mutilations, and it will explain my theories as to how the operations were accomplished. This report will also establish that there was a massive government cover up over those years as well.
The Purpose of the Cattle Mutilations
Simply put, the cattle and other live stock were being shot with various types of bacteria, primarily of the Clostridia family. I believe that some animals were also being used for the development of pathogens. Agents for which mankind had no natural immunity. A wide review of mutilations across the U.S. shows many variations i.e. a few cases of radiation at the hind end and head of the animal, and an array of foreign chemicals and compounds found in many of the animals for which no logical explanation can be made.
Further, about 65 recently declassified biological research documents from that time period, have been all but totally blacked out. Recently declassified documents from the Nixon administration make it very clear that the United States was trying to find ways to synthesize Toxins and Pathogens. As all of the biological and chemical weapons had been destroyed by 1973, it was extremely important for the military and the CIA to be able to synthesize these and other agents quickly, so they could meet a threat against the U.S. in days, instead of months, as was previously required to produce sufficient quantities of agents.
However, there had been a long-standing desire to synthesize “designer toxins” going all the way back to 1961. The government originally sought toxins that would primarily effect Orientals, but later broadened this to include those of African decent. Just for the record. Purified Clostridium Botulium (Saxitoxin) was being produced by 1952, and by the middle of the 1960’s the Army had antidotes for all sub species. In virtually every state where mutilations had occurred, they found clostridial infections to be the cause of death in some cases.
Why on Private Land
This question comes up a lot, but the answer is really simple. You must first understand that offensive biological weapons research was illegal in the United States after February, 1970, and that’s exactly what they were doing. The effects of various types of Clostridia bacteria needed to be tested at different altitudes and across different climates. The cost of maintaining thousands of animals across the United States would have been out of the question, and I believe the CIA had early on determined that this course would increase the risk of government exposure and oversight as well.
Evidentiary Findings
This report concludes that John Henry Altshuler, M.D. (a veterinarian) performed illegal surgical procedure’s (mutilations) on cattle and other live stock at his ranch located at 5700 Danbarton Drive, Englewood, CO 80111, in Arapahoe County Colorado in the year 1975.
Sources of Evidence
1. The Mutilation Mystery, by Ed Sanders, Sept. 1976 OUI Magazine.
2. Many phone conversations with Louis Girodo beginning in mid 2004.
3. Several phone conversations with Cpt. Keith Wolverton, Retired, in 2005.
4. The Eclectic Viewpoint Lecture by Dr. John Henry Altshuler.
5. Land ownership and property loan documents provided by a Title Company.
6. Assorted maps and an aerial photo of Dr. Altshulers ranch.
7. Many phone conversations with Gabe Valdez, New Mexico State Police
....Officer, Retired.
Investigative History
In late 2003 I began investigating the cattle mutilations of the 1970’s. Of course, like many others I down loaded the FBI mutilation files. I remember spending long nights looking over those files with a magnifying glass, as the copy quality was really bad.
In the course of reviewing these records I ran across a copy of an article titled The Mutilation Mystery, written by Ed Sanders back in Sept of 1976. It had a whole section on Clostridia bacteria, which was one of the links I was working on. I decided to see if I could find a copy of that magazine.
It took about two weeks to find one on Ebay, order it, and receive it in the mail. I very carefully made copies of the whole article, and took it to work with me. I read it over and over, highlighting every word, line, and paragraph that seemed to hold research gold. This is how, and where I began to get the names of people involved in the mutilation investigations back then. The first person I was able to get hooked up with in May 2004 was Gabe Valdez.
I think it was around Sept. of 2004 when I called the Trinidad District Attorneys Office in Colorado, and a woman there was kind enough to give me the home and cell phone numbers of Louis Girodo. Lou was on vacation, so it still took a couple of weeks before we finally got a chance to talk. I originally wanted to pick his brain for first hand information and clues I hoped would help solve some of the questions surrounding the mutilations. Along the way I found out that he was a friend of Dr. John Altshuler. I thought to myself, this would be a great opportunity to see if he could hook me up with the one person who was suppose to be the worlds leading authority on cattle mutes. Then several weeks later he came out and told me Dr. Altshuler was dead.
I thought that was very odd, that he had not told me this from the beginning. I originally started out sharing information with him on his assurance that he would reciprocate. He led me to believe that he would share records with me and help in locating information and getting others involved like his friend the senator. I did get some key elements of information out of Louis Girodo. One of the things I found out was that Dr. Altshuler loved to fly.
I had also purchased a DVD of Altshulers cattle mutilation lecture “Eclectic Viewpoint” in October 2004. I watched it several times. I made an audio recording of it and every chance I got, I wrote down statements he had made. The more I listened and watched the more convinced I became that his reason for doing this lecture was to continue the hoax of government misinformation.
Girodo had told me that they had been very close friends for many years and it seems logical that they would have shared some information about the mutilations and investigative efforts to solve the mystery. Given the unprecedented amount of research I had done, and official records I had reviewed, the color of Dr. Altshulers statements became painfully transparent. He was, in my opinion, feeding the public a load of lies about UFO’s and the cattle mutilations. One statement in particular stuck in my head.
“We have heard reports of unmarked helicopters, what ever that means. “
- Dr. John Henry Altshuler, Eclectic Viewpoint, 1994
Louis Girodo had told me that he saw unmarked helicopters on two occasions over the 1970’s and that the occupants were wearing black jump suits. I had also gotten validation of this information from several other law enforcement sources as well including Keith Wolverton. There is no way that Dr. Altshuler should have made such statements, given his broad knowledge of cattle mutilations in Colorado.
At almost every turn in his lecture he tries to dupe the audience into believing that the mutilations were done by ET, and that no one knows how it was done.
” The bottom line is that nobody knows, .its kinda fun to guess. “
I finally made my last phone call to Louis Girodo on Feb. 17, 2005. Cloaked in my best manipulative behavior, I dialed the phone in hopes of getting that one piece of information that I firmly believed he was in possession of. That John Altshuler was the owner of the ranch he told Ed Sanders about in 1975.
I pushed the question about the doctor’s name and the location of the ranch. He became evasive and said something to the effect that he did a lot more then just cattle mutilation investigations He went on to tell me about his work with the Fed.’s and DEA looking for drug smugglers. This evasive rambling went on for a minute or so, and I could note a small rise in his voice as he began to talk a little faster with a few stressors in his words. Then he slipped and made a statement.
“Even if John was involved, I wouldn’t admit it!”
Bingo! That’s all I needed to hear. Now, I was absolutely certain that Dr. Altshuler was our man. Armed with this statement I set out to prove that Altshuler was the owner of that ranch and where it was located.
I also paid for an Internet search of all the former addresses where Dr. John Henry Altshuler had lived in Colorado. All the addresses came back as BOGUS! Further, there were no phone numbers past or present, and his real address were he had lived for decades, was no where to be found.
Correlating the Facts
We will follow every relevant statement made by Louis Girodo and Ed Sanders back in 1975 try to prove them to be true or false.
Did Dr. Altshuler own a ranch in 1975, and where was it located?
With a great deal of effort I contacted a Title company in Colorado, and finally came up with enough information for them to run a search. The lady at the Title Company faxed the information to me and sure enough, he did own a ranch in East Colorado back in 1975. It was located at 5700 Danbarton Drive, Englewood, CO 80111. Here is an aerial photo of the ranch.
I also correlated this with law enforcement officers that this strange ranch in 1975 with all the UFO, unmarked helicopters, and van - trailer activity was located in Arapahoe county in the township of Englewood, CO.
Here is a bank document that shows Dr. Altshuler took out a $45,000 loan on one of his lots on the ranch in 1977.
In Ed Sanders the Mutilation Mystery he states he was leaving Kiowa Colorado in July 1975, heading west on route 86. He was passed by a big shiny white van pulling a large white trailer doing about 85 miles per hour. He noted that it was Texas plates, but was unable to get the plate number.
Could this van - trailer have been heading for Altshulers ranch?
Yes! Going west on route 86 you would cut down through Castle Rock and head North on U.S. 25. This would put you about 1 mile away from Dr. Altshulers ranch.
Louis Girodo also stated in the article that the doctor called the local FAA to complain that law enforcement was flying over his ranch and taking photos.
Is there a local Federal Aviation Administration near Dr. Altshulers ranch?
Yes, there most certainly is! Today, it is listed as the Centennial Airport Traffic Control Tower, 7800 South Peoria Street, Englewood, Colorado, 80112. It is located about four miles from Dr. Altshulers ranch.
Even Louis Girodo thought that Dr. Altshuler’s ranch was doing some of the mutilations back in 1975 before they came to be friends.
“We feel that he’s using those damn trailers” Girodo said. “That setup is perfect: They’ve got a van; they got all the ground support in that van pulling that trailer;
and the chopper, the investigator continued, could be put in the air in a matter of minutes.”
Part of Louis Girodo’s statement to Ed Sanders about the ranch was that it had “chained access routes”, indicating it had multiple access routes.
Does Altshuler’s ranch have multiple access routes?
Yes, as we saw in the aerial photo.
Now we need to correlate the proximity of the mutilations to his ranch. Where the areas near enough to his ranch that a helicopter could bring the cattle in and return them to their respective properties in a fairly short amount of time.
Was Dr. Altshuler’s ranch close to where mutilations were happening?
Yes, There were three counties that got hit extremely hard in 1975. Douglas, Elbert, and Morgan counties.
Douglas and Elbert counties were only minutes away by chopper.
Can a large anumal be air lifted out by a helicopter? Yes!
However, this is not the style of chopper that was used, or the method of air lifting the dead cattle out. We will cover that in the “ Air Lifting of Cattle “ section.
Air Lifting of Cattle
The following theory is based on solid evidence. After having reviewed countless State Police records, mutilation photos, and other records as well as interviews with retired investigators, I believe the following is pretty accurate as to how cattle were air lifted out and returned. This is a generalized description that would fit the majority of cases, but Im certain there were some variations i.e. a hoist could have been used in place of a climbing rope and so on.
A person or team of several people were used to locate cattle and case out the most opportune areas and times. They would typically be dressed in black jump suits of a sort,
(CIA trained & contracted), usually small light weight people. On the evening of an incident, the person or team would walk into the area located about 180 yards or more from the animal. They would shoot the animal with a toxin or what ever they were testing at the time, and the animal would be paralyzed and or dead in very short order. If it was purified Clostridium Botulium, the cow would be dead in seconds. Some of the things they were testing could have used MEF’s “Mortality-Enhancing Factors” that had been developed by the Army.
In any case, once the animal had been shot it would fall on its side, and a quick radio call to a helicopter already in the air would go out giving the grid coordinates of the target. The ground team would move out, and in minutes the helicopter would come in low, hugging the ground to help muffle the sound of the chopper blades. I was in Vietnam, and I can tell you that many of these pilots were damn good.
They would hover about 35 feet or so over the dead animal, four ropes would go flying out of the center doors, two on each side. At the end of each of these ropes would be a specialized clamp system. Then would go out a climbing rope from one side, and a small person would climb down and position himself on top of the animal. Using a point man in the chopper, the pilot would move the air craft from side to side so the ground person could get the clamps on the animals legs. They would lift off slowly so the ground person could check that the clamps would hold and away they would go to the facility that would do the mutilations, usually a high security ranch, or secured location. The chopper would stay in the air while the cow was being processed, and return the carcass to the property once everything was done.
Can this be done? Absolutely!
By landing on top of the animal and doing everything from there, there would be NO TRACKS! Also, there were many different types of choppers used early on, but it looks like the one that was used the most after 1975 was the Huey 2.
More proof of helicopter air lifting comes from the evidence of Rigor Mortis! Examine the following photos carefully.
rigor mortis (ri’g?r môr’tis) , rigidity of the body that occurs after death. The onset may vary from about 10 minutes to several hours or more after death, depending on the condition of the body at death and on factors in the atmosphere, particularly temperature. Rigor mortis affects the facial musculature first and then spreads to other parts of the body. It is caused by chemical changes in the muscle tissue. The state of rigor usually lasts about 24 hours or until muscle decomposition takes place by acid formation.
The legs are always stiff and usually pointing out away from the center of the cow. The neck is always back as if it had been hanging upside down by its legs. Thats because it was!
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Sounds pretty convincing, to me.
It would not explain a percentage of cases but sounds like it might explain half or more.
I appreciate you sharing these articles with me, but my interest in the subject is intermittent, at best.
Please take me off your ping list.
SURE.
. . . though for the record . . . you were never on any of my lists. I just remembered to ping you from your posts on this thread.
I thought the Ebens story had ended . . . with most thinking it was 100% hoax . . .
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PLEASE keep in mind that I’m convinced all such are fallen angels involved in a massive DECEPTION . . .
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here’s an interesting tidbit:
time, local].
http://www.serpo.org/release32a.php
The meeting specifically occurred on AKAU ISLAND, which is the North Island of the sprawling JOHNSTON ATOLL system. The EBENS landed on a flat portion of the northwest sector of this island. There were 18 (eighteen) officials from around the world who met the EBENS. They included the following [number of] representatives from our planet, Sol
III:
1 = The VATICAN
2 = The UNITED NATIONS
9 = The UNITED STATES of AMERICA
- Broken down into -
1 = WHITE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE From The OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
2 = U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS
1 = LINGUIST
5 = U.S. MILITARY REPRESENTATIVES
- Other Countries / Misc -
1 = The PEOPLE’s REPUBLIC of CHINA
1 = The RUSSIAN FEDERATION
4 = INVITED SPECIAL GUESTS
= 18 TOTAL INVITED GUESTS
Additionally, a very special set of gifts were exchanged. The EBENS provided us with six (6) gifts that would assist us in future technological developments. In return, the Vatican gave the EBENS two (2) 12th Century religious-themed paintings [see “End Notes”].
Furthermore, a future meeting date was set for November 2012 in addition to a previously scheduled official visit on Thursday, November 11, 2010 at the NTS.
http://www.serpo.org/release32a.php
CRITICAL NOTE: The defense of JOHNSTON ATOLL is managed by the U.S. military; NONE of the islands are open to the public.
QUESTION: Do we possess tele-transporter or “flash drive” technology that we have appropriated/back-engineered from the Visitors, yes or no?
ANONYMOUS ANSWERS: With respect to your question regarding
“tele-transporter” technology, the Ebens do NOT have this technology. They have mastered space travel and can venture through space defying the time barrier.
As for our own technology, I very much doubt we have it today. We don’t have the Star Trek “Beam-me-up-Scotty” technology.
QUESTION: In a private communication I had with your legal counsel, I am given to understand that a member of the DIA-6 has a PhD in [theoretical?] physics ... can you ask this individual to expand on HOW SPECIFICALLY the Ebens traverse the vast, great distances of space and overcome the problem of TIME as they seem to freely travel from “Point A to Point B” in our Milky Way Galaxy?
ANONYMOUS: The Ebens use a “Universal Grid” system in traveling from one point of space to another. Their craft are able to travel NEAR the speed of light. This enables their craft to go into an altered space-time chamber. That allows the point of DEPARTURE and the point of DESTINATION to become closer in real time. It is similar to folding space by making the two (2) points — departure and destination — become much closer.
Remember, the Ebens have been working to perfect this type of space travel — overcoming the time barrier — for well over a period of 50,000 [of our] years. By now, they have in fact perfected this mode of space travel.
Although we have been given the basic BLUEPRINT for their craft, propulsion mechanism and overall operating system, we still don’t understand it. They utilize minerals that we simply don’t have here on Earth [Element 115 per Bob Lazar?]. One particular mineral, similar to Uranium ³ — but not as radioactive — provides the extra power for their propulsion system. They also utilize a form of a SPACE DISPLACEMENT system, which basically causes a VACUUM in front of the propulsion that allows NOTHING to interfere with the created THRUST.
At the present time, we canNOT understand how they accomplish this.
They use a vacuum chamber, which consists of a mini-nuclear reactor that forces some type of matter into space that deletes the molecules and causes that very small portion of space to become a vacuum. They also utilize anti-matter in such a way as to force their propulsion system into “streams” [waves] of energy in front of their craft that enables the craft to move and flow much easier through space withOUT any FRICTION from the ATMOSPHERE.
That is all from our physicist member.
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