Posted on 11/20/2009 2:45:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
On 20 November 2009, emails and other documents, apparently originating from with the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia.
If real, these emails contain some quite surprising and even disappointing insights into what has been happening within the climate change scientific establishment. Worryingly this same group of scientists are very influential in terms of economic and social policy formation around the subject of climate change.
As these emails are already in the public domain, I think it is important that people are able to look through them and judge for themselves. Until I am told otherwise I have no reason to think the text found on this site is true or false. It is here just as a curiosity!
You can either search using the keyword search box above, or use the links below to browse them 25 emails at a time.
(Excerpt) Read more at anelegantchaos.org ...
From the website:
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=1037
Two words. Holy sh!t. Especially note the last sentences :-)
Information from the site starts NOW.
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CCNet 153/2009 - 2 October 2009 — Audiatur et altera pars
CRU’S HIDDEN DATA AND THE IPCC: A SCIENTIFIC SCANDAL UNFOLDS
A scientific scandal is casting a shadow over a number of recent
peer-reviewed climate papers. The scandal has serious
implications for
public trust in science. The IPCC’s mission is to reflect the
science,
not create it. As the IPCC states, its duty is “assessing the
scientific, technical and socioeconomic information relevant for the
understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change. It
does not
carry out new research nor does it monitor climate-related
data.” But as
IPCC lead author, Briffa was a key contributor in shaping the
assessment. When the IPCC was alerted to peer-reviewed research that
refuted the idea, it declined to include it. This leads to the more
general, and more serious issue: what happens when peer-review
fails -
as it did here?
—Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 29 September 2009
Over the next nine years, at least one paper per year appeared in
prominent journals using Briffa’s Yamal composite to support a
hockey
stick-like result. The IPCC relied on these studies to defend
the Hockey
Stick view, and since it had appointed Briffa himself to be the IPCC
Lead Author for this topic, there was no chance it would
question the
Yamal data. Despite the fact that these papers appeared in top
journals
like Nature and Science, none of the journal reviewers or
editors ever
required Briffa to release his Yamal data. Steve McIntyre’s repeated
requests for them to uphold their own data disclosure rules were
ignored.
—Ross McKitrick, Financial Post, 1 October 2009
The official United Nation’s global warming agency, the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is a four-legged
stool that
is fast losing its legs. To carry the message of man-made global
warming theory to the world, the IPCC has depended on 1) computer
models, 2) data collection, 3) long-range temperature
forecasting and 4)
communication. None of these efforts are sitting on firm ground.
—Terence Corcoran, National Post, 1 October 2009
Media reaction to the Yamal story has been rather limited so
far. I’m
not sure whether this is because people are trying to digest what it
means or whether it’s “too hot to handle”. None of the global
warming
supporters in the mainstream media have gone near it. The
reaction of
the Guardian - to delete any mention of the affair from their
comment
threads - has been extraordinary.
—Bishop Hill, 1 October 2009
Britain will have to stop building airports, switch to electric
cars and
shut down coal-fired power stations as part of a ‘planned
recession’ to
avoid dangerous climate change. A new report from the Tyndall
Centre for
Climate Change Research says the only way to avoid going beyond the
dangerous tipping point is to double the target to 70 per cent
by 2020.
This would mean reducing the size of the economy through a “planned
recession”.
—Louise Gray, The Daily Telegraph, 30 September 2009
Mike Mann -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology
Methinks the professor doth protest too much. You think?
Here’s a good one...
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2391082%2C56
Mike, Ray and Malcolm,
The skeptics seem to be building up a head of steam here ! Maybe we can use
this to our advantage to get the series updated !
Odd idea to update the proxies with satellite estimates of the lower troposphere
rather than surface data !. Odder still that they don’t realise that Moberg et al used the
Jones and Moberg updated series !
Francis Zwiers is till onside. He said that PC1s produce hockey sticks. He stressed
that the late 20th century is the warmest of the millennium, but Regaldo didn’t bother
with that. Also ignored Francis’ comment about all the other series looking similar
to MBH.
The IPCC comes in for a lot of stick.
Leave it to you to delete as appropriate !
Cheers
Phil
PS I’m getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data.
Don’t any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !
lol....great minds and same finds....lol
my post from earlier...lol
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good stuff....!
Interesting here is this exchange. I would read the entire string of correspondence but this brief excerpt made me double take!
I concede all of your points but add one other thought. It is my
grandchildren I worry about and I suspect their grand children
will find it exceedingly warm because sunspots will return and
carbon abatement is only a game; It wont happen significantly
in their lifetime AND IT WONT BE ENOUGH IN ANY CASE. HENCE _WE
WILL NEED A GEOENGINEERING SOLUTION_ COME WHAT MAY!
-gene
Here is a scientist completely calling out carbon credits as merely a game!!!!!!
The entire string though is truly fascinating! http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=1037
"Extraordinary" is far too weak a superlative to describe the sort of effort involved with faking something of this magnitude.
This is real. No question about it. It's also the death knell of the AWG movement. It's dead, Jim.
You know, reading through some of those emails, it appears the Russians put up some grant money to fund their research. Rumor has it the Ruskies don't like it when they're conned and they seem to act a with more malice than the US. I wonder how long it will take for someone to come upon "unfortunate circumstances" and have an "accident."
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=490
Mike,
I presume congratulations are in order - so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he documents everything better this time ! And don’t leave stuff lying around on ftp sites - you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it.
We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it - thought people could ask him for his model code. He has retired officially from UEA so he can hide behind that. IPR should be relevant here, but I can see me getting into an argument with someone at UEA who’ll say we must adhere to it !
Thanks Phil,
Yes, we’ve learned out lesson about FTP. We’re going to be very careful in the future what gets put there. Scott really screwed up big time when he established that directory so that Tim could access the data.
Yeah, there is a freedom of information act in the U.S., and the contrarians are going to try to use it for all its worth. But there are also intellectual property rights issues, so it isn’t clear how these sorts of things will play out ultimately in the U.S.
I saw the paleo draft (actually I saw an early version, and sent Keith some minor comments). It looks very good at present—will be interesting to see how they deal w/ the contrarian criticisms—there will be many. I’m hoping they’ll stand firm (I believe they will—I think the chapter has the right sort of personalities for that)...
Will keep you updated on stuff...
talk to you later,
mike
Leaked FOIA files 62 mb of gold
Posted by Jeff Id on November 19, 2009
This is the biggest news ever broken here. The first thing I have to say is that I have no connection to the source of these files. It was left as a link on my blog while I was hunting for cloaked deers (fruitlessly) in the Upper Penninsula. These files are real IMO but they cannot be one hundred percent verified as such. How can we be certain but IMO, real. They were potentially scraped from multiple computers in my opinion by a hacker or an insider involved in some of the endless FOIA requests.
Ill say this delicately this person risked one f..k of a lot to show us this data.
You have to realize what we’re looking at here.
Imagine that three people are involved in a conspiracy. You are reading everything in their “sent” email boxes. You’re going to find correspondence between the three discussing the plot, but you’re also going to find their emails to people who are unaware of the plot. Emails *from* people asking them for information on the subject, people who have no idea that it’s a con. Emails to people, innocently protesting, “What plot??”
That’s why it’s taking so much time to figure it all out. It’s a mess. I find emails to and from “Mike” have been the most helpful, but many emails concerning “Mike” are not revealing.
It’s a sorting process and I hope the FBI is crawling all over this tonight.
Hiding data from other skeptical researchers....that might threaten the Funding.
We have a mighty army working on this stuff!....
LOL!
Welcome aboard.
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The Great Global Warming Swindle
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One central problem for those who promote the idea of man made global warming is the earths temperature record on almost all time scales.
In the last decade, there has been no clear warming trend (as the UK Met Office and IPCCs own figures demonstrate). In the last century, much of the warming occurred prior to 1940, when human emissions of CO2 were relatively small compared to today. During the post-war economic boom (when one would have expected the temperature to rise) the world cooled, from the 1940s till the mid-70s (again, this is evident from accepted data used by the IPCC).
But its important to look back further in time 1,000 years. The climate record which used to be accepted as the standard account of this period was published in the first IPCC report. But this account posed a problem. A thousand years ago there was time a warm period apparently warmer than today (known to climatologists as the Medieval Warm Period). This was followed by a relatively cold period (known as the Little Ice Age), from which, over the past two to three hundred years, seem to have made a slow, welcome recovery.
This was all rather undermined the idea that current temperatures were either unusual or alarming.
In subsequent IPCC reports the original graph was replaced by another the famous Hockey Stick (so-called because it looks like one). The Hockey Stick was a lot more dramatic, and was featured proudly on the top of the front page of the new IPCC reports. But was it true? The Hockey Stick debate is very telling, and we urge readers to review the links below.
Further back in time, still within our current interglacial period, we find more warm spells notably what geologists call the Holocene Maximum when, for a few thousand years, the earth was significantly warmer than we find it today.
Over longer time periods of course, the earth has been far, far hotter than it is today (with tropical forests covering much of the earth) and also far, far colder, with much of the earth buried under miles of ice. The Earths climate has always changed, and changed without any help from us.
But there is another problem, a very major problem, for those who promote the idea of CO2-led global warming. According to global warming theory, if an enhanced greenhouse effect is responsible for warming the earth, then the rate of temperature rise should be greatest in that part of the earths atmosphere known as the troposphere, specifically in the tropics. And yet the observations, from weather balloons and satellites have consistently shown that not to be the case. I urge readers to look at the Christy et al papers below. The latest one was recently published in the Journal of Geophysical Research (2007).
Thank you for your response. I was referring specifically to the two people in that specific email. There are plenty of other emails with lots of smoke. The Mike you are seeing might be Michael Mann, who if you look has been forced to retract some of his research and tried very hard not to release his data.
The Great Global Warming Swindle
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A DVD of the film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, will be available from mid July (despite the strenuous efforts of those who support the theory of global warming to prevent its release). The DVD is an expanded and improved version of the film broadcast in the UK on Channel Four. More interview material has been added, covering a broader range of subjects than was possible in the broadcast film.
However, we urge those interested in hearing the case against the theory of man made global warming to dig deeper. The main purpose of this site is to point people towards key scientific papers, books and other relevant material.
We have received literally thousands of emails from scientists and others expressing their support and encouragement. These emails are also often very useful, steering us towards new studies in different areas. Please keep sending them.
The email address is: gw@wagtv.com
The general reaction to the film has been overwhelming and enormously encouraging. As Channel Four reported in Broadcast magazine, they received a record number of phone calls following the first transmission. They calculated that the calls were 6 to 1 in support of the film.
It would be nice to claim that the explosion of interest was due to the film itself, but the fuss started even before the film was broadcast. The reason, we suspect, is that the coverage of global warming, on TV, radio and in the press, has been so one-sided and uncritical. In Britain, hours and hours of programmes have been broadcast by the BBC on the subject, much of it scientifically absurd. The very fact that a science documentary dared to challenge the orthodoxy was itself news.
Why? Why have journalists been so craven or biased? How has a theory which demonstrably lacks really solid supporting evidence become an indisputable fact? What of the impressive, much talked about scientific consensus which is used to forestall any awkward questions about the evidence?
The film made a humble stab at suggesting some possible answers, but there was limited space for these bigger questions. The whole global warming alarm, we believe, raises serious issues about the way science functions in the real world, about the political bias of scientists, about censorship within the scientific community itself, about the routine practice of scientists drawing false or inflated conclusions from ambiguous or uncertain data, about the manifest failure of the peer review process, about the extraordinary unwillingness of scientists who have invested time and reputation in a particular theory to consider evidence which directly contradicts it, about the elevation of speculation (models) to the level of solid data, and much else besides.
Science and scientists cannot always rise above the prejudices of their class and of their age. The selection and handling of evidence often reflects these prejudices. The most highly qualified and respected scientists can be blind to obvious deficiencies in a theory, and will be dismissive of evidence when it undermines what they want to believe.
But the scare over man made global warming may prove to be the first great example in the modern Western world, when science was betrayed by scientists themselves
This web-site is still young, and the people running it are doing so in their spare time (when they really should be making television programmes). So apologies for its shortcomings.
The makers of the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle have made many science documentaries before. The thing they found most shocking when they started to make this one, was the weakness of the case for man made global warming, and the quantity and quality of the evidence which flatly contradicts it.
Mann is one of the GW conspirators. He invented the “Hockey Stick” graph that Al Gore is so in love with. His conversations with “Phil” are revealing.
check the updates ,...particularly the last one which has all of these emails as supporting evidence about wayward scientists....
The search term “FOI” is good...
(Slowly weeding through it now. There’s a lot of stuff about avoiding it.)
“Freedom of Information” is revealing also.
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