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Dubai 09: UAE hosts first mock dogfights for F-22, Typhoon, Rafale
Flight International ^ | 19/11/09 | Stephen Trimble

Posted on 11/20/2009 3:22:33 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Dubai 09: UAE hosts first mock dogfights for F-22, Typhoon, Rafale

By Stephen Trimble

The United Arab Emirates not only attracted the Lockheed Martin F-22 to the Dubai air show, but also staged perhaps the first mock dogfights between F-22s, Dassault Rafales and Eurofighter Typhoons.

In parallel with the air show, the advanced tactical leadership course at Al Dhafra air base near Abu Dhabi hosted a five-nation fighter exercise, says the UK Royal Air Force.

France, the UK and the USA each sent six of their top-line fighters to the exercise, and those were joined by jets from the UAE and Pakistan. The Abu Dhabi manoeuvres marked the first publicly known event where the F-22 met Europe's two most advanced fighters.

The Rafale previously flew against USAF Boeing F-15Cs during the Red Flag exercise at Nellis AFB in August 2008. The USAF, however, withheld the F-22 from the Red Flag manoeuvres, which also included South Korean Boeing F-15Ks and Indian air force Sukhoi Su-30MKIs.

Multinational exercises provide air forces the rare opportunity to become exposed to the tactics, capabilities and limitations of countries using rival equipment.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dogfight; eurofighter; f22; rafale

1 posted on 11/20/2009 3:22:35 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Well.....well, just leave us hanging will you!

Journalism at its best.

2 posted on 11/20/2009 3:43:43 AM PST by Recon Dad (Staff Sgt O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 29)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Just came back from Dubai this morning from an investment seminar ...wish I had some time to visit the airshow and look at the static displays. Dubai always makes me gasp in wonder ...taking a drive through the Sheikh Zayed road even makes New York appear thirdworld ....the place is an architectural wet dream (not to mention the very weird realization that one can ski at the Mall of the Emirates ....snow in the desert. Ha!).

Anyways, I wonder if the Pakistani pilots will get debriefed by their Chinese masters after the dact?

3 posted on 11/20/2009 3:55:15 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
oh, the face off I would have loved to see is the one between the Rafale and the Typhoon. A lot of debate about whether the close coupled canard of the Rafale is better than the more far flung set up in the Eurofighter. I'd put my money on the close coupled based on what I've read, which is interesting considering most say the Rafale is better a2g and Typhoon a2a. Well, while the Rafale is definitely better a2g due to its carry capacity, I also think it would be better a2a once mature ...and for a number of reasons .

As for the Raptor, I wonder if itsstealth was the silver bullet it would be at longer ranges of engagement considering all fighters would have been quite close. What I would really like to see is an engagement between a rafale with spectra active stealth starting at BVR against a Raptor. It would be interesting to see whether one of the best jamming/discrete systems would force the Raptor into the merge by making bvr Amraam shots useless.

Well, one can wish.. It would be interesting to see that.

4 posted on 11/20/2009 4:03:40 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Wet dream or not, I cannot bring myself to admire a place where the poor are treated like vermin. The same poor who’ve built the place into what it is today.

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/14416

(click on the images)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/gallery/2008/oct/08/1?picture=338366526


5 posted on 11/20/2009 4:07:30 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

whoa! I definitely did not see that part of the UAE (although someone once told me that in the smallest Emirate state - Ajman, which is the tiniest of the 7 Emirati states) Indians and Pakistanis are put in really atrocious conditions. I’ve not seen it, but when I asked my taxi driver he seemed to concur that there is an underworld of enslavement, forced prositution, and other human rights abuses that would chill one’s soul. I didn’t see it myself (I was in the glitzy parts), but if that glitz is built on shattered dreams and bloodied sweat then it is cursed. I see your point, and share it. Kind of wipes the polish off Dubai, huh.


6 posted on 11/20/2009 4:15:02 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The reason the US has withheld the F-22 from such tests in the past is that it didn’t want potential adversaries getting information on sensor effectiveness (particularly IR sensors).

Figures that 0 wouldn’t have a problem with it...


7 posted on 11/20/2009 4:26:25 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: spetznaz

How is the Raptor in a knife fight?


8 posted on 11/20/2009 4:39:12 AM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just imagine if all the western dollars which went to these muslim loons (sorry Mr. and Mrs. Loon) was spent on oil recovered in the US instead. Then what would NYC look like in domparison with Dubai?


9 posted on 11/20/2009 4:39:13 AM PST by PIF
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To: PreciousLiberty

No of course not - the entire fleet of 22s are up for sale to highest bidder to pay for healthcare and lower the 12 trillion, soon to be 24 trillion, deficit. Just a little advertizing, is all.


10 posted on 11/20/2009 4:41:53 AM PST by PIF
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To: aviator

very very good ...although in the era of helmet mounted sights and advanced IIR missiles, a knife fight is the last place you want to be since it is quite likely that near peer adversaries will kill each other at the same time. Btw, the Raptor doesn’t have a HMS system yet.


11 posted on 11/20/2009 4:45:38 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Was priveledged to be able to watch F-22s and F-15s dog-fight on Okinawa while I was working at Kadena Air Base - a sight to behold.


12 posted on 11/20/2009 5:20:01 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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mock dogfights? If the F-22’s dogfighting, hasn’t it already failed as weapons-delivery system? Ain’t the networked F-22s gonna do their killing from clean over above another continent?


13 posted on 11/20/2009 7:44:59 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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