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To: SaraJohnson
except now it is the American ctizens who are named terrorists by homeland security based upon such “extremist” ideals like the constitution.

American (Constitutionalist) citizens are terrorists, and terrorists are protected "citizens."

Only a collective institutional madness could have come up with such a twisted, malevolent thought.

52 posted on 11/17/2009 8:58:23 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm; Fred Nerks; LucyT; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; tet68

Cansomeone post a list of the addresses of all known Muslim training camps across the USA?

This would be a start.

We need to organize an onformational handle on these guys, the goivernment won;t do it, and has prevented a Congressional Probe. CONGRESS KNOWS OF THIS THREAT.People like Leiberman want it public.Because they can’t we need to do something, or the next thing you know, assassinationa nd suicide bombers will be hitting us and we won’t know even how to keep ourselves safe, the FBI is mum.

Fort Hood and Obamas reaction to it are a signal to Patriots.

THE CITIZENS OF THE USA ARE CANNON FODDER. TERRORISM IS ONLY A CRIME. SINCE IT IS ONLY A CRIME NOW, WE CITIZENS HAVE A DISTINCT RIGHT OF SELF DEFENCE TO ANY CRIME.

LETS EXERCISE THAT RIGHT BY PREPARING FOR THE WORST WHILE HOPING IT NEVER HAPPENS.

We need a list, but unfortunately I do not have the time to do it, or I would. ANYONE?


56 posted on 11/17/2009 9:18:48 AM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: MestaMachine
More from McCarthy on our "Government" and the LAW.

The decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other top al-Qaeda terrorists to New York City for a civilian trial is one of the most irresponsible ever made by a presidential administration. That it is motivated by politics could not be more obvious. That it spells unprecedented danger for our security will soon become obvious.

The five 9/11 plotters were originally charged in a military commission. Military commissions have been approved by Congress and the courts. Eleven months ago, the jihadists were prepared to end the military case by pleading guilty and proceeding to execution.

(snip)

That is, Pres. Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, experienced litigators, fully realize that in civilian court, the Qaeda quintet can and will demand discovery of mountains of government intelligence.

They will demand disclosures about investigative tactics; the methods and sources by which intelligence has been obtained; the witnesses from the intelligence community, the military, and law enforcement who interrogated witnesses, conducted searches, secretly intercepted enemy communications, and employed other investigative techniques. They will attempt to compel testimony from officials who formulated U.S. counterterrorism strategy, in addition to U.S. and foreign intelligence officers.

As civilian “defendants,” these war criminals will put Bush-era counterterrorism tactics under the brightest public spotlight in American legal history.

This is exactly what President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder know will happen. And because it is unnecessary to have this civilian trial at all, one must conclude that this is exactly what Obama and Holder want to see happen.

(snip)

Attorney General Holder has anxiously shoveled into the public domain classified information relating to those policies — with the administration always at pains to claim that its hand is being forced by court orders, even though the president has had legal grounds, which he has refrained from invoking, to decline to make those disclosures.

Moreover, during a trip to Germany in April, Holder signaled his openness to turning over evidence that would assist European investigations — including one underway in Spain — that seek to charge Bush-administration officials with war crimes (which is the transnational Left’s label for actions taken in defense of the United States).

Now, we see the reckoning: Obama’s gratuitous transfer of alien war criminals from a military court, where they were on the verge of ending the proceedings, to the civilian justice system, where they will be given the same rights and privileges as the American citizens they are pledged to kill.

This will give the hard Left its promised feast. Its shock troops, such as the Center for Constitutional Rights, will gather up each new disclosure and add it to the purported war-crimes case they are urging foreign courts to bring against President Bush, his subordinates, and U.S. intelligence agents.

(snip)

By moving the case to civilian court, the president and his attorney general have laid the groundwork for an unprecedented surrender of our national-defense secrets directly to our most committed enemies.

The five jihadists in question are alien enemy combatants currently detained outside the United States. They are not Americans and are not entitled to the protection of our Bill of Rights. That means that in a military-commission trial, they would be given only those rights Congress chose to give them.

National Review

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From military court (prior to which terrorists had already acknowledged their guilt and were preparing for execution)....to YEARS of civil court....to international court, where we will see our American protectors on trial.

McCarthy is too kind. He only ascribes political motivations for Obama and Holder to up end our laws and mechanics for swift prosecution of war criminals who have already confessed to their crimes.

Could there be other reasons Holder and Obama are so willing to betray the country they serve and to which they have sworn allegiance?

70 posted on 11/17/2009 10:11:22 AM PST by thouworm
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