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1 posted on 11/13/2009 7:51:56 AM PST by cornelis
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Galtism: I will never live for the sake of another

Sounds like Johnny isn’t much of a family man. (Trailer trash?)


2 posted on 11/13/2009 7:53:17 AM PST by cornelis
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Dear Peter,

Articles such as this is the reason that I no longer subscribe to NR.


3 posted on 11/13/2009 7:54:46 AM PST by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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But this does not answer the question: “Who is John Galt”?


4 posted on 11/13/2009 7:56:33 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Article probably written by someone that couldn’t finish reading Atlas Shrugged.


5 posted on 11/13/2009 7:56:49 AM PST by demsux
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I’m doing my best to starve the beast. If that’s reprehensible, so be it.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 7:57:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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Like anything, there must be moderation.

A healthy dose of Rand’s libertarian, just-leave-us-alone, attitude would do a lot to heal the rot that is the federal government.


7 posted on 11/13/2009 7:57:58 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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Its always so disappointing to meet a conservative who seems to have the right ideas on government, but then you realize he considers himself a “Rand-ian”.

Its like meeting someone who calls himself a Christian, but then you realize he belongs to some perverted sect.


8 posted on 11/13/2009 7:58:09 AM PST by dinoparty
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Reading Atlas shrugged changed my political outlook many years ago.


9 posted on 11/13/2009 7:58:38 AM PST by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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Wow. So Rand is wrong because..... Chambers and Buckley didn’t like her book?

I totally get that most of us were raised in the Christian tradition and cannot seem to get over the hump to agree with her.

But anyone care to refute here excerpt re Christianity contained right there? And I mean factually, rationally refute. Without the use of “feelings” or “faith”.


10 posted on 11/13/2009 7:59:29 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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Still going Galt.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 8:00:48 AM PST by Art in Idaho
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Yet there are some strands within conservatism that still veer toward Rand and her views of government

Probably because they look at her philosophy of Objectivism completely backwards. It is often incorrectly viewed as a top-down philosophy of politics affecting the individual. Instead, the best view is Objectivism is a philosophy of the individual, not a political movement. If individuals adhered to a more objectivist philosophy personally, then it would impact forms of government from the bottom up because there would be no demand for big brother pandering.

Understanding it from that direction completely changes some of the issues people have with Objectivism. Also, I should note that Objectivism isn't a religious philosophy that is supposed to be a 'perfect', instead it is more of a roadmap philosophy.

14 posted on 11/13/2009 8:01:10 AM PST by mnehring
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Ayn Rand would have made an excellent prostitute, but for the fact she like to give it away as much as possible.
17 posted on 11/13/2009 8:04:15 AM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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National Review hated her because she called out WF Buckley ages ago for what he was - a pragmatist. A Conservative, but a pragmatist who believed in some forms of government power and largesse. So that they run this is no surprise.

Her non fiction spells out clearly what is required for living freely on earth. Nothing more needs to be said.


24 posted on 11/13/2009 8:07:15 AM PST by antonico
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I do regard the cross as the symbol of the sacrifice of the ideal to the nonideal. Isn’t that what it does mean? Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used. That is torture.

And the author thinks his case is bolstered by holding this up as an example of how "horrible" Rand is - but it looks like a pretty accurate insight, to me. Not about who Jesus was, but about how the political entity known as the church have used Him over the centuries to make money.

25 posted on 11/13/2009 8:07:26 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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Funny how so many independent people follow Rand like lemmings.


28 posted on 11/13/2009 8:07:51 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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There is no God, and Ayn Rand is His prophet.


30 posted on 11/13/2009 8:10:06 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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The most striking feature of the book, Chambers said, was its “dictatorial tone . . . Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal . . . From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: ‘To a gas chamber — go!’”

Did Chambers actually read the book? To a gas chamber? That's an insane reading of it!

33 posted on 11/13/2009 8:11:54 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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a brittle, arid, mean, and ultimately hollow philosophy

That pretty much says it all.

35 posted on 11/13/2009 8:12:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We're witnessing the slow strangulation death of American republican self-government and liberty.)
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With Ayn Rand you have to take the good with the bad. She was a great novelist. She was a staunch defender of individual liberty, limited government, and free market capitalism-—that is all to the good.

On the other hand, she promoted atheism and selfishness and her personal life, values, and morals were perfectly atrocious.

As a teenager, I read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead and enjoyed them greatly. But more recently I read Whittaker Chambers’ book Witness. I found Chambers to be much more deep. His transition from darkness into the light was quite profound. He understood man’s weaknesses and faults including his own. Miss Rand, on the other hand, was a romanticist who invented cartoon like superhuman characters who were flawless and never made mistakes or errors in judgement. IMHO, Chambers was a realist, Rand was a dreamer.


36 posted on 11/13/2009 8:13:21 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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The thing about Rand's philosophy is that actually, it is fundamentally irrational.

For example, she named "The pursuit of his ... his own happiness" as one of the "highest moral purpose[s] of his life." It's not rational that a highly subjective mental/physical state should be the highest moral goal of a supposedly rational and objective philosophy.

And then there's her insistence that "Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others." This could only come from the pen of a woman who never had children.

One might be tempted to excuse her for that one on the basis of ignorance, except that she was apparently also strongly in favor of abortion -- which is just about the pinnacle of "sacrificing others to [herself]."

I long ago concluded that Rand's philosophy began with her atheism, and that everything else she wrote can only properly be understood on that basis. She wanted absolutes, but no God to enforce them.... the last 6 Commandments without the inconvenience of the first 4. And thus her insistence that reason and observation were sufficient to lead us to her "objective" philosophy.

If one accepts her premises, I suppose it's possible to reach her conclusions; but then, that's what insane people do, too: they draw painstakingly logical conclusions from initial conditions that have no contact with the real world. Rand's initial premises, while not necessarily "insane," nevertheless suffer from the flaw that they don't match the real world very well.

In many important respects, I think that Ayn Rand was actually a very childish person, who never moved beyond a childish insistence on getting her own way. No wonder she was irrational.

39 posted on 11/13/2009 8:14:29 AM PST by r9etb
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