Posted on 11/04/2009 4:08:47 AM PST by Ratman83
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Democrat Bill Owens has captured the special election for a New York congressional seat that became a fight over the identity of the Republican Party.
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For everyone saying a loss is a loss.
A “win” would have been a Liberal Democrat with an “R” next to her name endorsed by the DAILY KOS.
The enemy from within is more dangerous. They have the seat for ONE YEAR, let’s see who the “R’s” nominate next year.
A SMALL PRICE TO PAY, to root out a TRAITOR in our party, all the characters have been exposed.
Great point!
"This time around, however, the candidate will not be chosen by the eleven county chairmen meeting in a pizza restaurant." and "Hoffman showed poorly in that process, ranking seventh or eighth out of nine candidates in the eyes of almost every county chairman."
How are these eleven county chairmen chosen? Considering the fallout of this election and their choice to place a very liberal RINO as the R Candidate, doesn't that alone call into question their ability to lead? It certainly causes me to pause in reading the second statement above about what these eleven were even using as their criteria for chosing a candidate. Was Hoffman really that bad as they suggest meaning his election results could be artificial? Or should we be led to believe his endorsers (Palin, the Thompson's, et al) who spoke so highly of him?
Most her did not want Scuzzy to win they wanted the Conservative Hoffman to win. It would have been great, but he had both the Repub and Dems against him. hopefully the GOP will use canidates like Hoffman in the future.
Yeah, I noticed that the only picture of Hoffman that ever got shown, even by FOX, was one where his Pencil-neck geekiness was fully on display. HOWEVER, we’re always talking about trying to field regular people and not would-be career politicians for positions as Congressmen, so we shouldn’t expect Ronald Reagan. If he’s still interested, and I think he is, there are many things that can be done to highlight what will be shown to be the partisan crassness of Owens. Too bad I don’t live anywhere near there or I’d try to be involved. All those who were tied to Obama’s coattails are now falling away-—witness the two Gubernatorial upsets—my favorite being in my own state of NJ.
The Rat won because the GOP establishment will do anything except nominate a conservative. There was no primary election, Scuzziface was selected, not elected,(sorry, couldn't help it)over several conservative candidate hopefuls, Hoffman being one of them. Hoffman ran on the conservative ticket. The GOP "endorsed" and supported Scuzziface with money and ads. Giving her 900,000 bucks to help her. They ran ads against Hoffman, not against the Rat owens, but against the other Republican(Hoffman is a republican, he ran on the conservative ticket because of the GOP BS)then, after the absentee ballots were all in, Scuzziface drops out of the race,endorses the Rat and shows the GOP what a bunch of jerks they were for supporting her.
Hoffman went from a distant 3rd to almost winning,and if he had held off conceding until absentees and the paper ballots from several precincts had been counted, he might have won by a point or lost by only 1 point instead of 3.
This is a victory for conservatives, we drove the left wing RINO out of the race, the rat owens will only govern until 2010 elections at which time we can get rid of him completely.
Everyone is concerned about this race, when the truth of the matter is NJ WAS THE BIG RACE AND WE WON!!!
It is too bad about NY23 but NJ was much more important in the long run. The rats will spin the loss in NY23 but the fact is they know it was a loss for them in the long run and coupled with NJ and VA the blue dogs must be shaking in their boots this morning.
So are you saying that a conservative didn't stand a chance regardless?
I am willing to bet that a significant number had already voted absentee before Dede got out of the race. I think the voters in NY will be just as surprised by this.
Get rid of absentee balloting. Or at least reduce it to a rarity, like it used to be.
I can agree with absentee ballots for troops stationed outside the state, or to people who know they will be traveling on business or vacation when the actual vote takes place, or to those who can’t travel easily, such as nursing home residents.
But beyond those limited reasons, get rid of it. Too many people (including the dead?) request absentee ballots just to avoid contact with others, or else they have something to hide. “Voting Day” should be a chance to meet up with neighbors and old friends at the polls.
Hoffman lost because of the following reasons:
1.) He entered the race late.
2.) Compared to Owens, Hoffman had zero name recognition.
3.) He was far outspent by Owens and Scuzzafava.
4.) He was undermined by Newt’s endorsment of Scuzzafava.
5.) Scuzzafava had hard-core supporters that did a revenge-based vote against Hoffman.
6.) He was fighting a three-front war against the RINO establishment, Owens and Scuzzafava.
7.) He did not have as much political expertise in running an effective campaign as Owens did.
A year from now, Hoffman will be ready. For now, people need to rally around Hoffman. Why? The RINO establishment in NY will be working to undermine any chances of Hoffman running on the Republican ticket or any ticket at all. The RINO establishment in NY are bullies that do not play nice.
Technically, the district has been thru dozens of map redrawings and redistrictings so the “seat” actually was occupied by a Dem in 1989. However, areas of the district upstate have probably been Republican for over a hundred years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_congressional_district
“The RINO establishment in NY will be working to undermine any chances of Hoffman running on the Republican ticket or any ticket at all.”
That is what is most disturbing with the party now. They care more about the party and freinds than the people.
I get the impression this was a GOP area but not a Conservative area. We are sadly learning that those are not the same.
Hoffman will win this seat in 2010. I’ll bet the house on it
#1. The (r)ino Dede Scozzafava withdrew late in the race.
#2. The Conservative Hoffman got into the race too late.
#3. Dede Scozzafava was still on the ballot, and many people probably voted straight a (R) ticket.
Did the RINO establishment in NY direct Scuzzafava to endorse Owens, given that their candidate was placed in the position of being forced to withdraw or face the embarrasment of placing third while still running for the seat in NY-23?
I’m wondering if the RINO establishment in NY directed Scuzzafava to endorse Owens, given that their candidate was forced to withdraw from the race or face the embarrasment of placing third while not withdrawing from the race.
I do not know but I understand that people in her campain organization did support Hoffman after Scuzzy supported the Dem.
Most of NY is messed up and does not fit into a true conservative mold. I think this could have been a solid win for the GOP if they had nominated a true conservative and not Scuzzy.
Agreed. This is a very conservative district except for the handful of college towns like Potsdam, Plattsburg, and Canton. Many of the votes are absentee because of Fort Drum Military Base, home of the 10th Mountain Divison. Owens won by 2% and Scuzzy drew 5% simply because her name was in the ballot. If Scuzzy had not been appointed to run in the first place, Hoffman would have won by a landslide.
If you really want to see the trend, look at the local elections in New York (county, city, town). In Westchester County, three-term County Executive Andrew Spano (D) lost to Bob Astorino (R) 57% to 43%. Again, the THREE-TERM INCUMBANT, DEMOCRAT ANDY SPANO, LOSSES TO THE REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER. This is significant because Westchester County, with a population of about 900,000, is the very next county north of the Bronx, and while the northern part of the county is relatively conservative, much of the central and southern parts of the county is extreme-urban ACORN territory.
I also note that in Dutchess County (three counties north of the Bronx), voters threw out the RAT controlled county legislature and replaced it with a veto-proof GOP legislature. (I also heard of similar results in several other suburban NYC counties). In addition, the RATS lost control of the City Council for the City of Poughkeepsie (another urban-cesspool ACORN stronghold), RATS lost control of nearly every town board in the County where they had been in the majority, and the GOP retained or gained on every town board where they had been in the majority.
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