Posted on 11/01/2009 1:47:19 PM PST by seton89
Never. We might as well get used to it.
They're still bitching and moaning about the 2000 election results, and the washed up old hippies with grey ponytails are still griping about Nixon and Reagan.
Once Democrats nail down a scapegoat, they never stop blaming them for their own failures.
I like your comments!
No, not as long as he moves into the district the day before he is sworn in...
I have no doubt whatsoever that this election will be stolen. Acorn rules. The voters matter not anymore.
Aint it the truth!
Are you really under the impression that a large group can be a part of the GOP and not influence its direction on every issue?
That is the false impression that has led to this 'big tent' mess.
That has been in the back of my mind and your remark reenforces the reality of this on-going assault on our whole way of life.
I agree, and those same forces will be out many times in number what they were this past election cycle ('08). The thugs with riot sticks will not be charged nor punished with clear evidence in photos and statements.
Here I live in a very rural area (Texas) where the polls can be monitored easily and folks don't cotton to that kind of stuff and punks like that would be confronted and hauled off but that doesn't help when it comes to national elections.
Just my 2 cents as a former NY’er that witnessed the remarkable turn around of the city under Giuliani.
I would argue that no Republican politician since Reagan has made a better case for what following Conservative principles can accomplish even in an environment that is completely hostile to Republicans.
Is he a conservative across the board ? Of course not, but his stances on crime/welfare/taxes/incarcerated criminals/spending/unions are not only conservative but a textbook example of how conservatism can work anywhere.
If he was conservative on any more issues he wouldn’t have been elected and the social issues that he took a liberal stance on were impossible to change in NYC IMO. Don’t forget his days as a prosecutor, his stance against the mob was heroic in my mind.
Probably not a popular opinion on here but I don’t think it’s fair to simply write him off as a non-conservative or a RINO.
Rudy is probably not a conservative but he is not a McCain RINO. I like Rudy, I cannot stand McCain, Crist, Graham-nesty and the other RINOs and DIABLOs.
I’m not from NY, but IIRC, Rudy actually pulled a Scuzza during the Cuomo v. Pataki race in 1994, didn’t he? He endorsed Cuomo (D) instead of Pataki (R).
I was waiting for this. LOL
-PJ
She’s FAR more lib than Rudy, FWIW...even he might have been put off by her.
Or, he has had his finger in the wind.
Rooty maybe a conservative by NYCity standards. Which means, Rooty ain't no conservative. Even his tough on crime approach had its drawbacks. Giuliani is a gun grabbing authoritarian, who applied gestapo tactics to the broken windows philosophy that actually started long before he took office. Rooty is a Rockefeller Republican who spent a lifetime supporting liberal issues and liberal causes as a Democrat and Independent. Highlighted by his continued support for gun control, gay rights, abortion on demand and partial birth abortion. Giuliani's goal wasn't to limit government. Rather it was to make liberal NYCity operate more efficiently and effectively. Which he did in his first term only.
Bottom line, Rooty's a menace to conservatism. And linking Rooty to Reagan in any way, shape or form is the ultimate outrage.
“And linking Rooty to Reagan in any way, shape or form is the ultimate outrage.”
It may be an ultimate outrage to you but Rudy himself considers Reagan his hero and obviously Reagan saw something in him or he wouldn’t have brought him into his Dept. of Justice. They are indeed linked whether you want to try and rewrite history or not. Reagan inspired him as he did many Republicans, Reagan Democrats, conservatives, liberals, whatever. No one has exclusive right to claim they were inspired by Reagan.
“The Reagan Administration brought Giuliani to Washington in 1981 as Associate Attorney General, the third highest position in the U.S. Department of Justice. He supervised all of the US Attorney Offices’ Federal law enforcement agencies, the Bureau of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the US Marshals. In 1983, Reagan appointed Giuliani to be US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. He gained national prominence over successfully prosecuting high profile cases.”
Despite Rudy’s stance on abortion his policies saved lives: “because of the policies he supported, abortions decreased over 16% in New York City while adoptions increased by 66% while he was mayor.” All the protests and witheld votes in the world aren’t going to change legalized abortion in New York but this “menace to conservatism” was able to limit them from the inside.
Did you agree with everything Reagan did ? His illegal alien amnesty programs ? what about pulling out of Lebanon ? Do you really think he’d treat Giuliani the way so many of his followers do because he disagreed on a few issues ?
Finally, I hope you’re not suggesting that grabbing guns helped Giuliani crack down on crime ? That would be a tough argument to make on this board.
NYC was believed to be an ungovernable lost cause before Giuliani took over. I used to Thank God for his tough tactics when I had to go there.
>>>>>It may be an ultimate outrage to you...
I've got more news for you. I'm not the only one who says linking or comparing Giuliani with Reagan is an outrage. Not to mention a total fallacy.
>>>>>NYC was believed to be an ungovernable lost cause before Giuliani took over. I used to Thank God for his tough tactics when I had to go there.
Since I was born and raised in NYC, I know what makes liberals like Giuliani tick and not one I ever knew was worth a s**t. As I said, credit for tough on crime policies actually started long before he took office as Mayor.
Giuliani is not just a personally ambitious and highly driven individual. Giuliani is an egotistical megalomaniac and hardcore authoritarian. He quit the Democratic Party and became an Independent in 1975 so he could get a job within the Ford Administration. Later, right after Reagan was elected in 1980, Giuliani became a registered Republican.
Helen Giuliani said of her son: “ He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't. He still feels very sorry for the poor."
Btw, Reagan didn't hire Giuliani. Ed Meese brought Giuliani into the Reagan administration as a federal prosecutor. Federal prosecutors have one job. To follow the orders of the AG and the Potus. Giuliani repaid his debt to Meese by calling him a "sleaze" and saying he wasn't fit to be AG.
The current NYC Mayor, Mike Bloomberg, has also been tough on crime. He reduced crime rates even lower then Giuliani did. That doesn't make Bloomberg a conservative, anymore then it made Giuliani a conservative. Both men are life long liberals. After eight years of Giuliani as Mayor of NYC, the Big Apple was still the abortion capitol of America, the highest taxed big city in America, a welfare city, with the second highest debt of any local government next to the federal government, with some of the toughest anti-2nd amendment-gun control laws in the nation, home to gay activism and offering illegal alien protection status of a sanctuary city.
>>>>>Finally, I hope you’re not suggesting that grabbing guns helped Giuliani crack down on crime ?
LOL What I am saying is this. Giuliani took guns away from life long NYC permit holders by making it almost impossible for them to renew their permits. Along with making it much more expensive for NYC residents to acquire a permit. Giuliani also sued gun manufacturers. It wasn't enough for him to want extremely strict gun laws in NYC and NY State. He also wanted the federal government to impose stricter laws on other states.
The detailed facts regarding Giuliani's liberalism are well documented. Fact is, Giuliani had little in common with Reagan. Above all, Reagan had class. Rudy remains a scumbag of the first order.
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