[Colofornian]

Definition of a cult? Someone else's religion. [gdani]

What do his religious convictions have to do with anything? [Puppage, post #4]

Why bring religion into it? [Da Coyote, post #7]

Personally I don’t care what his religious beliefs are as long as he isn’t an islamderthal head hunter. [Cripplecreek]

I could care less if you worship a Pepsi can as long as you’re a decent, respectable, productive citizen. [PittsburghAfterDark, post #14]

his faith is his faith and his business...I couldn’t care less about his religion [Manc, post #16]

Almost every single religion looks strange and cultish when viewed from the outside, yet, for someone on the inside of said religion, it seems perfectly sane and logical. Viewing things from the inside, one has trouble understanding how people view it differently from the outside. It is all a matter of perspective. [Mnehring, post #19]

But tell me, why does Glenn Beck & all true-believing Mormons (TBMs) get off the hook from so many FReepers re: these following beliefs?

All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.
It's the foundation of their faith.
It's been enshrined as Mormon "scripture."
Yet what do verses 18-20 of this founding vision claim?
It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% abominable creeds. ("Abomination" means putrid)
It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% corrupt professing believers.
It claims every other non-Mormon sect is "wrong."
And later Lds statements from the top down, say Christianity totally became apostates between 100 A.D. and 400 A.D.

Now, for those who defend Beck's beliefs by making an appeal to tolerance and diversity and simply "so what?" -- well, where have you all been? Why haven't we seen or heard of your tolerance messages preached to the Mormon church or to Beck?

When Mormons call the rest of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox believers "corrupt" in their "Scriptures," why no response to them?

Someone (Scythian) objects to Beck's Book of Mormon belief. You're all over him.

Yet when Mormons call the rest of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox beliefs/creeds an "abomination" to their god based upon their other "scripture" -- the Pearl of Great Price -- why no response to them?

If Beck is a TBM, he believes that up to 75% of his audience are religious apostates. (Isn't that worthy of a response if you have a non-Mormon faith? -- or are you so weak in your faith that it isn't worth defending?)

If Beck is a TBM, he believes Joseph Smith verses 18-20 in the Pearl of Great Price...which labels ALL of you faith-based folks as "corrupt" and adhering to creedal "abominations."

So you've tolerated Lds' Pearl of Great Price all of your life -- which have been printed into over 100 languages and distributed worldwide -- but if someone dare raises one comment linking Beck to the Book of Mormon on an isolated FR single-language thread, look out. Somehow, your appeals for "tolerance" and "Big Tent conservatism" somehow never seem to be one-directional -- and never aimed at either Salt Lake City or Beck himself. Why not? Why don't you tell the 60,000 Lds missionaries out & about in the world to stop labeling the rest of us "apostates" if your convictions are so true to tolerance?

[Tax Government]

But tell me, why does Glenn Beck & all true-believing Mormons (TBMs) get off the hook

Because the essence of faith is that is not reasoned, and cannot be proven or disproven. His faith is what it is, and cannot be challenged by reason.

[Scythian]

For me, I don’t understand how Beck can believe despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary ...

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/98708079-2645-4665-92E0-A7A596AEB263/

This was the basis of my question? So far I have been skeward, there are things more important that the future of the United States, I know that might be shocking for some to consider. God can cause any other nation to rise up and take our place in a heart beat, He doesn’t need us.

Somethings can BE KNOWN TO BE FALSE, watch the video above, and tell me I’m wrong ...

[Puppage]

Now, for those who defend Beck's beliefs....

I am NOT defending them, I could care LESS about them. All I am saying is that they don't matter one way or the other when commenting on the issues of the day.

If he starts espousing his religious views into those very same issues, THEN we have something to talk about.

Should we take into account your religious views when reading what you're posting?

Seriously, I am just asking.

[gdani]

But tell me, why does Glenn Beck & all true-believing Mormons (TBMs) get off the hook from so many FReepers re: these following beliefs?

Because those of us who have no religious beliefs can take your concerns & apply them to *any* religious belief.

Yet, at the same time, I don't care what anyone else believes so long as they don't try & force it on me.

[manc]

so what if he is a mormon.

I couldn’t care less and I fail tot see why you should.

Does he push his religion on to you?
NO

Does he always keep on about it?

NO

So why are you bothered? Because you think your faith is the true faith .
Am I right??????

He is informing us what is going on ?
YES

Are you pushing your view on your religion right now?

[Joachim]

But tell me, why does Glenn Beck & all true-believing Mormons (TBMs) get off the hook from so many FReepers re: these following beliefs?

All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision. It's the foundation of their faith. It's been enshrined as Mormon "scripture." Yet what do verses 18-20 of this founding vision claim? It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% abominable creeds. ("Abomination" means putrid) It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% corrupt professing believers. It claims every other non-Mormon sect is "wrong." And later Lds statements from the top down, say Christianity totally became apostates between 100 A.D. and 400 A.D.

Maybe they "get off the hook" partly because they don't believe what you claim they believe.

(You basically say mormons are wrong, they basically say you're wrong. So we should call mormons on intolerance?)

The actual text (of Joseph Smith History 1:18-20) to which you are referring says the "creeds" were an abomination in God's sight--not the believers or the churches themselves. (And if the mormons were right that God is corporeal, might not a corporeal God take a dim view of the then-current creeds?)

The actual text also says that "those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'"

You equate "professors" to all believers--mormons do not do so, which you may not have known (but will now).

The footnote in the text on "professors" refers to Jude 1:4 and to a topical reference to "false prophets." As I understand it, "professors" here, as understood by mormons, refers not to believers "professing" a belief, but to learned or credentialed religious leaders claiming, without authority, to represent God.

The text also says about the "professors" that they "'draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'"

This doesn't sound like the "100% abominable" and "100% corrupt" that you call mormon's view of others--after all, at least a form of "godliness" is present even in what the "corrupt professors" teach.

The text does say all of the sects were wrong, and that he was "to join none of them." But does this justify saying that mormons believe that all (other) Christian believers are "corrupt" and "an abomination to their God" as you say?

I don't see it.

I especially don't see it, having seen what the Book of Mormon has to say about the same issue: the state of churches and of people generally during the "apostasy" as mormons call it, the time from the death of the last apostles to the time of Joseph Smith:

". . . they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men." (2 Nephi 28:14)

In other words, even without an authorized church, even before Joseph Smith and the "mormons" came along, there were some who were "humble followers of Christ" who were not really "astray" but did "err" because of incorrect teachings. This is what mormons believe.

It appears that you are just trying to stir the pot by putting words in the mouths of those you oppose.

What is the end that justifies this means?

[Elsie]

All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.

But WHICH version of it?

[Elsie]

All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.

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Here is MORMONism's creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith