Various Examples of When a Long Form Birth Certificate is Required

10/26/2009 | Jay099

[jay099]

Here is a list of government and civilian websites that require a long form birth certificate.

1.) Snyder County, PA requires a long form birth certificate to obtain a US passport for anyone 15 years of age or younger:

"Even with a previous passport - a LONG form birth certificate is required..."

http://www.snydercounty.org/snyder/cwp/view.asp?a=730&Q=408544

2.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long form birth certificate is required to obtain a passport:

"A long form birth certificate is required for obtaining a passport and for travel outside the country."

http://www.dighton-ma.gov/Public_Documents/DightonMA_Clerk/clerk?textPage=1

3.) Once again, the state of Massachusetts requires a long for birth certificate for "proof of citizenship":

"If you were born in the United States, then a LONG FORM birth certificate is required – the long form must be certified with a raised seal (no photocopies)."

http://www.cityofmelrose.org/departments/assessing.htm

4.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long long for birth certificate is required in certain adoption cases:

"However, if grandchild is a dependent of a dependent under age 19, copy of grandchild’s certified (Long Form) birth certificate is required."

http://www.townofmarshfield.org/public_documents/MarshfieldMA_HR/PCHG%20Rules.pdf

5.) In Laredo, Texas a long for birth certificate is required for passport or immigration purposes:

"The long form Birth Certificate is required for PASSPORT or IMMIGRATION purposes."

http://www.laredotexas.gov/health/Birth%20-%20Death%20Application%20Final%20English%20%20Spanish%20Revised%20January%202009.pdf

6.) Presenting a short form birth certificate to obtain health insurance at IMS Health is "not acceptable":

"Photocopy of dependent's birth certificate. Must be a complete birth certificate which includes both parents' names; short form birth certificate is not acceptable."

http://staging.dakotagrp.com/3756_IMS_enrollment_guide_web/enroll/

7.) The only type of birth certificate that is acceptable by the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control is a long form birth certificate.

"The only type of birth certificate acceptable for travel is a birth certificate long form."

"A short form certification or birth card (cannot be used for travel)."

http://www.scdhec.gov/administration/vr/birth.htm

8.) And last of all, to play little league in San Dimas, California, you must present a (yep, you guessed it) long form birth certificate. An abstract, like Obama's COLB, is "not acceptable".

"Supply a certified birth record and proof of residence. Abstract birth certificate is Not acceptable."

http://www.leaguelineup.com/sdlittleleague/files/Registration%20Flyer%202008.pdf

So, if a short form birth certificate is not sufficient evidence of citizenship in any of these cases, then why would it be sufficient to be President of the United States?

[jay099]

I never said that or even intimated that. Once again, your assumptions get you into trouble. The person I was responding to believed that because people who lived generations ago didn’t have BC’s, therefore people today shouldn’t have to show their BC as proof of birth. My argument was that that argument wouldn’t work today because everyone has a BC (Yes, there are probably a few who don’t have a BC. I say this just to make it clear to anyone who enjoys misunderstanding things) and showing that BC as proof of birth is a requirement in many cases. So, for example, I told him to try to use that argument in a place like California where you must present your long form BC to obtain a US passport (for those who were born in Cali, just to make it clear to anyone who enjoys misunderstanding things). His argument obviously wouldn’t work.

The entire point of this post is that there are many cases all throughout the country (including in Hawaii itself) where a short form BC (aka COLB, abstract) is not acceptable. Why? Lots of reasons. Mostly because it’s not the best evidence of birth. The long form is! So if a COLB is sometimes not good enough to get a passport, or sign up for health insurance, or even little league, then surely a COLB could never be good enough to be President of the United States!!

[sickoflibs]

RE :” We’re simply asking to see his BC and justifiably so. The burden of proof is on Obama. He has the BC. So what exactly are we supposed to prove?”

Not true. He was elected , then put in office and is now president. That puts all the burden of proof on you Birth-certificaters, not him.

RE :”You can’t criticize us for not having proof when so much of the evidence is being hid by Obama! “

Let's just say you cant get the court to give you a search warrant because the judge says you have no probable cause, but you still want to convince everyone he is guilty of being born in the wrong place. Now true you might find all types of dirty underwear if you snoop around enough. But the judge says no. So you say he is guilty anyway, but no one cares.

[PA-RIVER]

The next Dual Citizen President is going to be thankful for this precedent being set.

Eventually we'll hit the lottery and have a Treasonous busturd in the oval office who plays golf while our troops get massacred, while crying for his help.

[PA-RIVER]

If I am at a baseball game, and am asked to show my ticket, I have to show it. Even after I got through the gate.

This is why George Bush had no problem releasing every document from the National Guard, and every document at Harvard or Yale.

The American President used to be a position of openness, honesty and integrity. That all ended last November.

[jay099]

You could not be more completely incorrect in just about everything you’ve said.

Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

The constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen. It does not require “birth in the US” as you claim. A person can be born outside the US to two citizen parents and be natural born.

Of course the constitution doesn’t ask a person to show what hospital they were born in, the constitution does not require a person to show their BC either. It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

All court cases so far have been dropped on technical issues and have never been debated on the merits of the case.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on everything in your ignorant statement. Learn something before you attempt to comment with any kind of legitimacy.

[jay099]

How does being elected place the burden of proof on us? That makes no sense. Besides, we were asking for this long before he was elected. Using your logic, you’ve just admitted that the burden of proof was on him before he was elected but is now on us because he was elected.

We do have probable cause. He hasn’t proven that he’s eligible or even that he’s a citizen! Not to mention all of the news articles over the years claiming that he was born in Kenya or Indonesia, including the Honolulu Advertiser from his own state!

No, I don’t say he’s guilty. I just want proof.

[sickoflibs]

RE :” If I am at a baseball game, and am asked to show my ticket, I have to show it ”

Not if you are president of the USA. The secret service wont let you near him.

RE :” The American President used to be a position of openness, honesty and integrity. “

Are you smoking something? I don't remember that. Maybe there was less media investigations then. My grandmother used to say crazy stuff like that in the nursing home.

[Drew68]

It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

Obama's short form shows he was born in Hawaii. That's all that matters.

[jamese777]

You could not be more completely incorrect in just about everything you’ve said.

Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

The constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen. It does not require “birth in the US” as you claim. A person can be born outside the US to two citizen parents and be natural born.

Of course the constitution doesn’t ask a person to show what hospital they were born in, the constitution does not require a person to show their BC either. It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

All court cases so far have been dropped on technical issues and have never been debated on the merits of the case.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on everything in your ignorant statement. Learn something before you attempt to comment with any kind of legitimacy.

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“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-chiyome-fukino-confirms-president-obamas-natural-citizenship/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

[mojitojoe]

Obama’s short form shows he was born in Hawaii. That’s all that matters.

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As if you are the authority on that matter. What a joke.

[jay099]

Maybe that’s all that matters to you.

His COLB is basically a note written by the Director of Health stating that he has a BC. It’s a secondary document. It’s not the best evidence of his birth and secondary documents like his COLB often don’t work in many different cases. That is why we must see his BC.

[jay099]

What’s your point? You didn’t even attempt to refute any of my criticisms (not that you can).

Congrats, you have just proven something that all of us already knew, that the Director of Health in Hawaii has said that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. So what? Why the hell would we take their word for it when they’re all hiding the document that can actually PROVE it?

[Drew68]

As if you are the authority on that matter. What a joke.

My take on things is currently the reality of the situation. What have you birthers got? Dismissal after dismissal after dismissal with a few sanctions and fines thrown in for good measure.

So who's the authority on the matter?

[null and void]

Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

Point of order.

Obama did not post the alleged Hawaiian COLB.

Nor has he ever said that the COLB featured on fightthesmears and "verified" by FuctCheck is even his.

No one seems to know where this most important of all documents came from.

It just sorta showed up.

Like 0bama himself...

[jamese777]

The Pulitzer Prize winning investigative division of the St. Petersberg Times, Politifact did its own confirmation.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And one more time, the Director of the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health has confirmed that Obama was born there and that he is a natural born citizen.
Her testimony, should any case ever make it to an actual trial will be a tough hurdle to overcome for any plaintiff.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

[MHGinTN]

The fact that you tout Fukino asserting Barry is a natural born citizen proves your bias ... she hasn’t any legal basis to make such an assertion but you swallow that kool-aid with gusto! ... Because it reinforces what your worshipful mind wants for your affirmative action fraud-in-chief.

[jamese777]

The Pulitzer Prize winning investigative division of the St. Petersberg Times, Politifact did its own confirmation.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And one more time, the Director of the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health has confirmed that Obama was born there and that he is a natural born citizen.
Her testimony, should any case ever make it to an actual trial will be a tough hurdle to overcome for any plaintiff.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

[jamese777]

The fact that you tout Fukino asserting Barry is a natural born citizen proves your bias ... she hasn’t any legal basis to make such an assertion but you swallow that kool-aid with gusto! ... Because it reinforces what your worshipful mind wants for your affirmative action fraud-in-chief.

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I believe making such public statements would be in the job description of the person whose job it is to oversee and catalog all confidential vital records in the state of Hawaii. If you don’t like it, tough.

[MHGinTN]

:^) Tough enough, obamasycophant, tough enough. What flavor is that koolaid, skippy?

[jamese777]

:^) Tough enough, obamasycophant, tough enough. What flavor is that koolaid, skippy?

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Yawn.