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To: syc1959
Again, on WND you are wrong and you are wrong here. The Ratan pattern is a ‘security’ feature. There are no broken lines in the FTS [fight the smears] COLB#1 or in the Factcheck COLB#2. You might be alble to lie your butt off and twist lies, but I have posted the evidence.

http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/SteveCeeFactCheckFogery.doc

First, where in that document do you ever show that the FTS COLB#1 does not have any signs of a seal? Your concluding statement claims that this is the case, but you never show any images of the area of the FTS COLB where the seal would be, and you only focus on the ink-stamps. You state it as a conclusion, but you don't make any case for that conclusion.

Second, let me be clear on what your allegation regarding Factcheck is. Factcheck posted nine photographs of Obama's COLB. Eight of these show the area where a seal should be (#4 is a close-up the top part, and #9 is a close-up of the ink stamp). Out of those eight, seven show a seal that is clearly visible to the naked eye. Only photo #3, which is slightly out-of-focus and has a shadow across the seal area, does not have a readily visible seal.

So is your allegation that the Obama campaign created a second, seal-less COLB, and switched out the sealed COLB for the seal-less COLB for a single photo?

Third, you're wrong. Just like the other two attempts at showing a seal-less COLB, run photo #3 through GIMP, tweak the Levels, and you can see the same exact signs of a imprinted seal. Once again, it's the right curve of the seal that shows up the best.

What beyond the forged documents [and they have been substantiated AS forged], is there ANY evidence that he was born in Hawaii?

First, substantiated by who? The two major "experts" who claimed that the COLB was forged both turned out to be lying about their credentials, and were never actually document experts. And after they were exposed as fakes, they promptly disappeared offline and never explained themselves.

Second, the evidence showing that Obama was born in Hawaii (including the news announcements and the Secretary of State saying "Obama was born in Hawaii") is already more evidence than I ever got that Bush was born in Connecticut, or that Palin was born in Idaho.

Third, on the flip-side, there's no substantive evidence showing he was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Jerome Corsi has claimed that he was an affidavit from Obama's grandmother. That is false. It's been claimed that two of Obama's siblings said he was born in Kenya. But no one has ever been able to say where or when they said this. And so on.

479 posted on 10/01/2009 4:32:50 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC

here is a detailed breakdown of the FactCheck forgeries.
Including an analysis of the date stamp.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/292/

They are forgeries, plain and simple.

Forgery #1 – The COLB posted on ‘Fight the Smears’ – No Stamp, No Seal, evidence of tampering and forgery. Sandra Ramsey Lines, Ron Polirak, and myself, among others.

Forgery #2 – FactCheck – Two different COLB’s one with a SEAL, however NOT an Official State of Hawaii Department of Health SEAL

Forgery #3 – FactCheck – COLB without a SEAL, image of COLB being held up. High resolution and NO indicating of a SEAL.

So how can there be three versions of a document that Hawaii NEVER issued?


487 posted on 10/01/2009 5:43:10 PM PDT by syc1959
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To: LorenC

First, substantiated by who? The two major “experts” who claimed that the COLB was forged both turned out to be lying about their credentials, and were never actually document experts. And after they were exposed as fakes, they promptly disappeared offline and never explained themselves.

Sandra Ramsey Lines is a Forensic Document specialist, no one has dis-credited her. My documentation has been used.

Second, the evidence showing that Obama was born in Hawaii (including the news announcements and the Secretary of State saying “Obama was born in Hawaii”) is already more evidence than I ever got that Bush was born in Connecticut, or that Palin was born in Idaho.

Since when are newspaper announcements - legal documents.
Even Chris [My leg is tingling] Matthews had to admitt that is a falsehood and total BS.

Third, on the flip-side, there’s no substantive evidence showing he was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Jerome Corsi has claimed that he was an affidavit from Obama’s grandmother. That is false. It’s been claimed that two of Obama’s siblings said he was born in Kenya. But no one has ever been able to say where or when they said this. And so on.

Even the Obama STORY about Dr Rodney West, was discredited in a matter of hours. I for one worked on debunking that lie. His ‘blood-relative’ grandmother stated she was there when he was born. The Ambassador to Kenya, even admitted that where he was born is going to be a monument.

Here is the klincher.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-is-a-foreign-national-and-kenya-knows-it/

Updated working link; http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT

Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

The House met at 9.00 a.m.

Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama’s win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled.

Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request! *****[note - “having a Kenyan ruling the USA”!]

The Kenyan Parliment itself has stated so.


488 posted on 10/01/2009 5:43:10 PM PDT by syc1959
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