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75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S.
news9.com ^ | 9/17/09 | staff

Posted on 09/17/2009 10:02:45 AM PDT by Nachum

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States, according to a survey released today.

The survey was commissioned by the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs in observance of Constitution Day on Thursday.

Brandon Dutcher is with the conservative think tank and said the group wanted to find out how much civic knowledge Oklahoma high school students know.

(Excerpt) Read more at news9.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 75; education; oklahoma; percent; publiceducation; publicschools; schools; students
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Well, at least 11% of ‘em know which are the two major Parties in the U.S.


101 posted on 09/17/2009 12:45:40 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Well, at least 11% of ‘em know which are the two major Parties in the U.S.


102 posted on 09/17/2009 12:46:07 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Nachum

No surprise in Texas.


103 posted on 09/17/2009 12:46:10 PM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: B-Chan
Yeah, let’s let the average person have a say in how things are run. That’s a good idea!

Originally the "average person" DIDN'T have a say. Only Land (property) Owners could vote. It changed to all 'Free Men' in the 1840's or 1850's.

And people wonder why I’m a monarchist.
And that's why I think it should go back to only property owners being allowed to vote. The idea that some Oprah viewing, section 8, lay-about slug with eight kids by six men, can raise MY TAXES fries my @$$ to no end!
104 posted on 09/17/2009 12:49:41 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Nachum

We’re doomed.

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Shows you why Civics MUST be re-instated as a MANDATORY graduation requirement ...


105 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:16 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I’m sure that less than 0.0001% of the 75% of OK kids that didn't’t name Washington named John Hanson instead. And, no, John Hanson was not the first president of the United States.

I bet not one of them even knew of the Continental Congress. I was never taught it in school or college and learned it through self study and the History Channel.

I apologize to those of you who took offense in me bringing up a little studied part of American history. Read my first post. I never said Washington was not the first president.

106 posted on 09/17/2009 1:37:03 PM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: Lucky Dog; normanpubbie

The fact that we are having this conversation speaks volumes about the upbringing and education we experienced compared to the students this article is about. It seems that most of this conversation would sound like Swahili to the High School students in Oklahoma (giving implied accuracy to the polling results).


107 posted on 09/17/2009 1:42:12 PM PDT by JD91
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To: Condor51
And that's why I think it should go back to only property owners being allowed to vote.

I'm with you. The idea of making a body temperature of 33°C the sole qualification to vote is, frankly, nuts.

108 posted on 09/17/2009 1:51:44 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Nachum

I wouldn’t worry too much about Oklahoma. According to the ALEC there are 15 states with school systems worse than theirs. They done good.


109 posted on 09/17/2009 1:54:52 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: normanpubbie
It's a free country.

In deed, it is... A fact for which I am grateful on a routine basis, especially to all those, such as my son, who stand in harm's way, to keep it so.

Some FReepers like to conflate unrelated things to prove their points of view.

Obviously, you intend to imply that conflating [con⋅flate  [kuhn-fleyt] –verb (used with object), -flat⋅ed, -flat⋅ing. to fuse into one entity; merge: to conflate dissenting voices into one protest.] is undesirable as you would contend that the two things are unrelated. However, I must disagree with you.

The President to which you refer is a presiding officer. It obvious that such is not the case for just the committee. Therefore, if the Congress is not in session (if it were one could argue that he would be presiding over Congress) he must be presiding over the something else.

Given the phrase in which this President is designated:

...appoint such other committees and civil officers as may be necessary for managing the general affairs of the United States under their direction—to appoint one of their members to preside

It seems to me that the President so named is in fact presiding over other civil officers and affairs of the United States. Ergo, he would be the President of the United States.
110 posted on 09/17/2009 2:01:15 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: JD91
It seems that most of this conversation would sound like Swahili to the High School students in Oklahoma (giving implied accuracy to the polling results).

Unfortunately, it would appear that your assessment is closer to the truth than I would care to admit.
111 posted on 09/17/2009 2:03:00 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: normanpubbie

See posts 63, 79, 85. You might find them interesting.


112 posted on 09/17/2009 2:05:40 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yeah but how many know who Barry Switzer was?

That reminds me of a joke:
Norman, Oklahoma is a drinking town with a football problem.
113 posted on 09/17/2009 2:21:41 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Lucky Dog
Did you mean 63, 79, and 110?

I found #85 interesting, even fascinating. But then I wrote it :)

Yes, I found your comments interesting.

Re post 110: On the conflation part, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

But I must commend you for going back to the source documents and basing your assertions on them. I wish more FReepers would back up what they say.
114 posted on 09/17/2009 2:22:08 PM PDT by normanpubbie
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To: Genoa

From the article I posted:

...Thereafter, the president was occasionally referred to as the “President of the United States in Congress Assembled”, although “President of (the) Congress” continued to be used in most official documents.


115 posted on 09/17/2009 2:42:39 PM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: Deo volente
Norman, Oklahoma is a drinking town with a football problem.

Which reminds me of a joke. I've heard that they're thinking of changing the lyrics to the Oklahoma fight song because the student body has problems remembering the words.

116 posted on 09/17/2009 2:46:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: normanpubbie
But I must commend you for going back to the source documents and basing your assertions on them. I wish more FReepers would back up what they say.

Thank you. Allow me to return the compliment. Such action makes for a far more civilized and informed debate.

Re post 110: On the conflation part, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

In that case, I fear we must agree to disagree. However, as another poster observed, the fact that we are discussing the Articles of Confederation is indicator of the difference in the educations we received contrasted with that noted in the article that began this thread.
117 posted on 09/17/2009 2:51:40 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: TankerKC

Thanks for the charts. Now I’m hoping the surveyists just got punked.


118 posted on 09/17/2009 3:10:45 PM PDT by WKL815 (If the phrase "personal responsibility" makes you defensive, you may be a liberal.)
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To: itsahoot

bttt


119 posted on 09/17/2009 3:13:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I bet you wish you were back at the plant right now. There’s changes you wouldn’t believe.


120 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:20 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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