Posted on 09/16/2009 7:02:22 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
NATO-led forces are investigating the death of four Marines in eastern Afghanistan after their commanders reportedly rejected requests for artillery fire in a battle with insurgents, the Pentagon said on Wednesday. Tuesday's incident was "under investigation" and details remained unclear, press secretary Geoff Morrell told a news conference. A McClatchy newspapers' journalist who witnessed the battle reported that a team of Marine trainers made repeated appeals for air and artillery support after being pinned down by insurgents in the village of Ganjgal in eastern Kunar province. The U.S. troops had to wait more than an hour for attack helicopters to come to their aid and their appeal for artillery fire was rejected, with commanders citing new rules designed to avoid civilian casualties, the report said.
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26 years and 911 lessons
Is 0b0z0 adopting the same ROI’s that LBJ did?
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Meant ROE instead of ROI.
So, you were there on the ground watching and listening in on the decisions made? Please enlighten us with the details.
Read “Foreign Affairs” magazine by the Council on Foreign Relations before you throw insults.
American blood is being shed for $$.
The errors weren’t on the ground. The decisions not to use artillery were made by commanders whose careers were more important than the men on the ground.
Really? Please share the details of those command decisions to withhold fire support for this engagement, who made them and where they were made from specifically? Not your opinion.
Someone needs to get this to Drudge...!
Whether you like it or not, his conclusion seems obvious.
Apparently, it is your opinion that I cannot share my opinion unless I was there.
I assume you were there then or is that just your opinion?
Really, how so? Were you there on the ground too? Know all the details? Enlighten us.
You must have been involved, so tell us; why didn’t commanders honor the request of troops on the ground for artillery fire?
You must know. You must have been there. C’mon, what are the details?
“Really? Please share the details of those command decisions to withhold fire support for this engagement, who made them and where they were made from specifically? Not your opinion.”
No crap. Marine officers have their bad eggs, but fewer than any other branch (imho). If an officer receives ROE that say no artillery, then that’s the ROE. I don’t buy “bad officer” for a marine (or any branch, for that matter, but the marines in particular) until it’s proven by someone credible.
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Iraq ain't over.
So, we made a decision to send Marines into any area where they might be ambushed, and there was a rule in place that they could not be supported if attacked? Did this Marines know about this? I think not, since they knew to call for help.
Now, are we going to do the same thing again today? Or are we just giving up on seraching for the enemy?
If we are giving up our search, what is the expected outcome?
It sounds to me like we are willing to sacrifice Marines for the political positioning of the alleged Commander in Chief (de facto).
The point is to make the public clamber for a withdrawal from the territory to avoid wasting our troops. Then Obama will have political cover to withdraw the troops, claiming that is what the people want.
I truly hate the power structure that sacrifices the lives and fortunes of the people to stay in power. God help us all as we become weaker and weaker, and as the light of our example of freedom diminishes.
No, I wasn't there and I'm not armchair generaling and second guessing that commanders deliberately made the decisions you claim to save their careers as a statement of FACT, either. That's my point.
Officers didn’t want to jeopardize their careers more than they didn’t want their men to die.
Entered as a statement of fact- NOT an opinion.
Again, how do you come to your conclusion of stated fact? Are you part of the team that is investigating the incident?
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Military "campaign" in Lebanon? Get a clue.
The zero is nothing but another effing clinton/carter disaster.
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