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To: AndyTheBear
It would make sense that it did in this case. They were certainly communicating orally.

I'm not a lawyer. But it's my impression that the law is not about all communication in the sense of all speech between people, but communication in the sense of high-tech communications ... phones, wires, electronic means of transferring info.

I shouldnt go out on a limb. But I really think the prosecutor is trying to twist the law. She has to divorce the audio part of the tape from the visual part to argue that the law applies ... she's only alleging that the audio part might have been illegally obtained. To me this sounds like nonsense. I just doubt the law applies this way.

But like I said, I'm just a dumb layman. Of course it's always possible that a nonlawyer FReeper is smarter than a RAT prosecutor who loves ACORN.

81 posted on 09/12/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: freespirited
I'm no lawyer either, and I am only going on the snippet of the law provided. But it seems to me that oral communication in this case probably means people talking to each other without any technology.

But should these two get prosecuted it will make them bigger heroes then they already are. And will make the corrupt system of media and leftist government look worse than it is already does.

85 posted on 09/12/2009 10:17:42 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: freespirited; sickoflibs
it's my impression that the law is not about all communication in the sense of all speech

Maryland law technically gives an out for those recording crimes

You're right! Wire tap laws, implemented to protect telephone conversations and private conversations between two individuals usually speak to the interception of communications between two individuals without their consent. One-party consent is where one party has consented and knows the conversation is recorded. At the Acorn offices, both James and Hannah knew the conversations were being recorded, and there seemed to always be multiple individuals in the room which negates the argument of an expectation of privacy by one individual. There are many more nuances that a prosecutor/defendant can use, but generally law-makers don't like hidden cameras used to document crimes. They think about what they have done or could have done, and don't want to get caught.

law makers have not been able to update the laws as to the recording of audio and video together.

The parallel universe are computer network crimes. The laws being used still rely on old telephone data components as to the seizure of digital data.

What this case needs is a Federal Prosecutor (United States Attorney) to initiate a RICO investigation of ACORN. Then give James and Hannah limited-use immunity upon review of all of their recorded material. That would protect what has not been seen and give pathways to additional leads that can be pursued. RICO are the laws implemented to bring down organized crime. Racketing-Influence and Corrupt Organization statues. A big plus for a Federal prosecutor in RICO is that they can introduce to a federal court evidence of state crimes that were not charged. They can even go back prior to the end of statute limitations for criminal charges (usually 5 years) just to talk about a criminal pattern to introduce the criminal enterprise, or just how they function to break laws. ACORN has a long track record, so a basis for a RICO investigation has long been there. Another plus of RICO is that upon indictment, not just conviction, but a charge by a Grand Jury, a lot of financial assets can be seized. A RICO charge can put an enterprise out of business fast even before they go to trial by drying up their funds.

Just my take, I've been out of the business for awhile, so things could have changed.

89 posted on 09/13/2009 3:55:30 AM PDT by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper makes no spelling errors (Have a Misspell on me))
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