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Easier to find oil ( Abiogenic ? )
KTH Royal Institute of Technology ^ | September 9th | Peter Larsson

Posted on 09/11/2009 11:46:37 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Researchers at KTH have been able to prove that the fossils of animals and plants are not necessary to generate raw oil and natural gas. This result is extremely radical as it means that it will be much easier to find these energy sources and that they may be located all over the world.

“With the help of our research we even know where oil could be found in Sweden!” says Vladimir Kutcherov, Professor at the KTH Department of Energy Technology in Stockholm.

Together with two research colleagues, Professor Kutcherov has simulated the process of pressure and heat that occurs naturally in the inner strata of the earth’s crust. This process generates hydrocarbons, the primary elements of oil and natural gas.

According to Vladimir Kutcherov, these results are a clear indication that oil supplies are not drying up, which has long been feared by researchers and experts in the field.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; abiotic; agenda; drillbabydrill; economy; energy; fantasy; fossilfuels; hydrocarbons; methane; naturalgas; oil; opec; peakoil; petroleum; shale; tethysocean; thomasgold
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The idea that the massive amounts of oil already extracted and that remain in the earth are all simply dead dinosaurs and pre-historic plants is laughable.


21 posted on 09/11/2009 12:24:51 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

—there are no doubt many details of which we are unaware, of processes below about 25000 feet in the crust of the earth-—


22 posted on 09/11/2009 12:28:21 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: canuck_conservative

Sulfur comes from evaporites deposited in and around the reservoir. The most common is anhydrite, which is CaSO4. Salt, also known as halite (NaCl) is another. They were deposited in hypersaline waters, such as the Dead Sea of today. Yes, there have been fields that have “burped” up some more oil but it probably leaking up the faults that are the trap for the field. Once the pressure is drawn down from production, you can get mini-earthquakes as the faults compensate for the pressure differential.


23 posted on 09/11/2009 12:40:27 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: truth_seeker
Not a drop. Maybe a few whiffs of gas in their expensive well drilled on Gold's dreams several years ago but you could find more in your septic tank. Norway has huge reserves but they are offshore in the North Sea and up towards the Arctic. I am not an expert on Swedish geology but I think it is mostly Pre-Cambrian basement. Very little hydrocarbons have been found in rock that old and it has been in sedimentary rocks.
24 posted on 09/11/2009 12:44:18 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: canuck_conservative

I can’t say that I know for sure, but generally speaking, due to the cost of exploration, you want to search in the highest probability areas.


25 posted on 09/11/2009 12:46:28 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: canuck_conservative
Has any oil ever been discovered isolated in solid, non-porous rock?

Very little unless it is fractured. Mostly in the Texas Panhandle and Australia but they have conventional reservoirs overlying the tombstone.

26 posted on 09/11/2009 12:47:08 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: rellimpank

Oil is not usually found below 10,000’ except in “cool” basins, such as the Gulf of Mexico. At higher temperatures, the Earth acts like a refinery and cooks the oil into more volatile members, like methane, butane, etc... Very little natural gas has been found below 20,000’ (except in these “cool” basins) because the overburden of the Earth crushed the porosity so that there is no place for the gas to reside.


27 posted on 09/11/2009 12:50:48 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

What about the recent discovery of oil off Florida by BP? Here is the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1210691/BP-strikes-giant-oil-Gulf-Mexico.html

According to the article, they must have drilled 30,000feet through the crust to get to it. If it is from plants and animals, how did it get that far under the crust, expecially if it is so light to begin with?


28 posted on 09/11/2009 12:56:57 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: crusty old prospector
--thanks--having been a hardrock miner most of my life, I'm more interested in what are the ultimate sources of geologic wonders such as the porphyry copper deposits, the Homestake orebody, etc.,--

--my point was that we really have little detail knowledge of events and processes that deep except that they occur in high temperature, high pressure environments-

29 posted on 09/11/2009 1:10:37 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: blackpacific
Oh,man, if only we could get to our "own oil" off Florida!

Even from what was known to be there before we would never have needed any sand monkey juice, ever!

Excuse my French, but the things who flew down the Towers were from right there , you know.

Speaking of that why don't we just bill them and have them build'um right back up?

Also, if the data is correct, those deep wells tend to fill back up quicker.

Post 12~14 = dead on , - not enough dinos (that wrong idea dates back to a lone Russian scholar in 1757), and sulfur?, oh, yeah, a one two punch there.

So many just accept stupid ideas and don't stop and think for themselves using basic facts.

30 posted on 09/11/2009 2:11:05 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: rellimpank

I’ve had an idea that many concentrated surface ore bodies came from the cores of crashed asteriods. May be totally off-whack here though.


31 posted on 09/11/2009 2:12:55 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
But, if so, just try and imagine how much oil is out there in the Universe?

Just try, I dare you?

Now there's a good reason for a space program, n'est pas?

I mean who cares about the moon(unless there oil up there under all that cheese)?

32 posted on 09/11/2009 2:22:49 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The problem with the abiogenic theory is that it cannot predict where to look for oil.
33 posted on 09/11/2009 2:29:15 PM PDT by fso301
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

—FYI, you might take a Geology 101 course or get a basic geology textbook and read up on ore deposition-—


34 posted on 09/11/2009 2:30:58 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: blackpacific
According to the article, they must have drilled 30,000feet through the crust to get to it. If it is from plants and animals, how did it get that far under the crust, expecially if it is so light to begin with?

Assume sediments form on a seabed at the rate of .01 inches per year. After 1 billion years, you will have total accumulation of 10 million inches which equals 158 miles!

35 posted on 09/11/2009 2:45:06 PM PDT by fso301
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To: I Buried My Guns
Some how out of a three way business deal I wound up owning three oil wells in Southern Missouri. They had been capped in the 80’s as poor performers and played out. They did not cost me anything so I sat on them for a few years. When oil hit $100/bbl I started the process of reopening them - pain in a$$ due to enviro regs and taxes. Took three motnhs to get a rig etc etc.... any way the wells were now “recharged” and produced on their own head pressure and the oil was chemically different than the previous oil. I believe this theory. Think of the millions of tons of bio matter that are subducted into the crust at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean every day. It has to go somewhere.
36 posted on 09/11/2009 2:52:52 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: PGR88
The idea that the massive amounts of oil already extracted and that remain in the earth are all simply dead dinosaurs and pre-historic plants is laughable.

According to the standard theory, oil is not dead dinosaurs but rather algae and plankton from ancient oceans. This is supported by a number of observations: Algae grow like h*ll and thus produce huge amounts of biomass / hydrocarbons. Also similarities in chemical composition (also one of the reasons why scientists look at algae for biofuel production). Land biomass (i.e. forests etc.) usually turns into coal, a process that you can actually witness going on in several stages:

PEAT -> LIGNITE (SOFT TO BITUMINOUS)-> COAL
37 posted on 09/11/2009 3:00:47 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: PGR88
Ah, well, any mention of lignite is incomplete without a picture of the Bagger 288:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qx1FGRt54
38 posted on 09/11/2009 3:08:29 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

“I work in oil and gas. There is a theory called The Abiotic Theory that says oil is not created from fossils and dinosaurs and stuff, but rather earth processes.
Supporting evidence for this is when a company drains an old field and comes back 10 or 20 years later to suck up any residue, they sometimes find that oil has seeped up into the empty spaces, filling up the previously-empty reservior with oil that is geologically younger than the previously-extracted oil. This is counter intuitive, since oil at a lower level should actually be OLDER than the oil on top of it. Wierd.”

Oil/gas can migrate within/along reservoir layers, from high pressure, to low pressure areas.

Primary recovery doesn’t “drain” a reservoir. It takes perhaps 5 - 15%.

Water, natural gas, air injection, (secondary recovery) augments this process by increasing pressure, and fluid movement/migration.

Seconday recovery may yield total production of up to 50% of the original oil in place.

Tertiary recovery might get another 15%, leaving 35% that is never recovered.

* disclosure - my knowledge is from technology 35 years ago. I worked in secondary recovery and reservoir engineering, with post grad. level engineers and geologists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin


39 posted on 09/11/2009 3:18:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: fso301
I'll add to this thread an obligatory mention of Eugene Island 330, with link to brief 10 year old article.

...very likly not abiogenic, as far as I've been informed, but "different" oil than was originally produced at that well.

40 posted on 09/11/2009 3:30:41 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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