Posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:39 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG
Troops challenging the legitimacy of President Barack Obama as commander-in-chief -- including at least one who is fighting deployment -- should take heed: Gunnery Sgt. Hartman wants to know your "major malfunction."
R. Lee Ermey, the Marine-turned-actor whose role as drill instructor Gunny Hartman in the late Stanley Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" has all but placed the Vietnam veteran in the pantheon of Marine heroes alongside "Chesty" Puller, Smedley Butler and Dan Daly, isn't buying anyone's political objector status.
"I haven't heard about those guys," Ermey told Military.com during an Aug. 21 interview. "If I do run across them though, trust me, I'll square them away."
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Those requirements on the US citizen parent only apply if the birth was outside the US. But they also only deal with naturalized citizenship. Naturalized at birth, but via the laws passed under Congress power to define a uniform rule of naturalization. So, even if she had satisfied the requirements, and he was born outside the US, he'd not be a natural born citizen. The only way he could be natural born, is if BHO Sr, is not his father AND was not married to his mother, and the actual father was a US Citizen, or is "unkown" or just not listed on the BC. Then, born overseas. Said more simply, a bastard with a father who did not acknowledge fatherhood, born in the US is a natural born citizen. Born outside the US to a US Citizen mother, a natural born I'm not sure about, but a citizen if the mother had at least one year of US residence, with no restriction on when.
BHO Srs mother left and Sara Obama raised him. I don’t remember if she was married to BHO SRs father at the time of his birth. El Gato may know.
I may be mistaken, so I will defer to El Gato.
There is a line #23 on the first example you posted to me.
Sure there is. But it's for "reason for delayed filing or alteration". Box #23 of Obama's long form Certificate, assuming his is one like the twins or the one from 1963 posted above, could be very interesting. If that is, it's from Hawaii, and is a Certification of Live Birth. There are a couple of other possibilities, even from the state of Hawaii.
7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization” (TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998) Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is "the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth." Clearly, then, Americans who acquired their citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens are not considered naturalized citizens under either act.
7 FAM 1131.2 Prerequisites for Transmitting U.S. Citizenship (TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998) Since 1790, there have been two prerequisites for transmitting U.S. citizenship to children born abroad: (1) At least one natural parent must have been a U.S. citizen when the child was born. The only exception is for a posthumous child. (2) The U.S. citizen parent(s) must have resided or been physically present in the United States for the time required by the law in effect when the child was born.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
I believe she was, but I'd have to look it up to be sure. Can't keep everything in my head anymore. I'm getting old and it's getting kind of cluttered up there.
I don't know. I just don't get an impression about him that he is a lib so I suspect he's just uninformed.
That being said, Ermey did rise to fame as a Kubrick tool. Kubrick was all about creating mistrust in western societies against their military protectors ( Paths of Glory, Strangelove, FMJ ), and now he's giving interviews to radical anti-military activist Bryant Jordan.
I suspect he's just naive about these things, though.
You too? That was the reason that I asked you. LOL
I thought BHO SR was 4 when Sara started raising him but wasn't certain.
Having info in that box would fit in with a late filing as the numbering, as compared to the Nordyke's BCs, indicates may have happened. Alteration might fit in with wanting to note an alternate citizenship. We know for a fact that Hawaii issues BCs for foreign nationals, both born in Hawaii and not born in Hawaii, so where would that be noted? If not on the BC then where?
I’ve watched this debate for months here. My opinion is:
Even if he was born on American soil and his mother and father were married and both of them were American citizens; based on his actions since January 20, 2008 he’s still a bastard that cares not for the good of America.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Roger that ping.
That isn’t all the Dept of State says:
“However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.”
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
Check out state dept quote.
Indeed.
Nice tagline.
I also take it then, that you have no clue about what it means to be an officer in the US Army, and the duty you have to ensure the sanctity of the the chain of command and thereby the orders you both receive and issue. The KEY here is Lawful Orders.
If Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to be CINC (eligible being defined as Natural born citizen - born on US Soil AND both parents US Citizens) then ANYTHIGN coming out of the White house is not lawful. Military Orders. Appointments. Executive orders. Treaties. Laws. Bills. ANYTHING.
Do you get that?
That is entirely the point.
On the first point, they do. But not on the second, they agree that there are residency requirements for the US citizen parent(s).
I wish they would refer to section of the US code rather than the Act that generated it. Makes looking it up easier....ah, here it is. 8 USC 1101 (definitions). Yes it says what the manual indicates.
I think it's a matter of interpretation. And in general doesn't matter anyway, since naturalized citizens and other citizens have exactly the same rights. The other seciton of the law refers to "citizens at birth" it is true, but the law was passed under Congress power to define a uniform rule of naturalization. So how can persons whose citizenship depends solely on such a law be anything but naturalized? The part you quote from the state department is not the law, just their interpretation of it.
The State Department, in the same Manual says (in the section immediately preceeding the one you quoted:
The law which replaced the 1790 act, in 1795, said the same thing, without the two words "natural born". And so the law remains today, that a child of US citizen parents, born outside the US, is still a US citizen.
The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time.
In my opinion that means that someone with dual nationality can't be "Natural Born".
My father had dual citizenship at birth; US and Canadian. He made a point of telling me that he couldn't be POTUS. I may not even be eligible by some of the stricter interpretations I've seen here. I also wouldn't want to be. I am not qualified although if thrust into the role I would do my best.
What is factual is that the Founders and authors of the 14th did not intend for anyone with split loyalties or split obligations to qualify for president.
They did not intend for those with dual citizenship to be qualified for president.
I wish they had written it much more specifically.
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