'We are God's partners in matters of life and death' (Obama says)

Politico ^ | 8/19/09 | Ben Smith

[pissant]

A reader points out that President Obama's call with the rabbis today -- as recorded in Rabbi Jack Moline's and other clerics' Twitter feeds -- freights health care reform with a great deal of religious meaning, and veers into the blend of policy and faith that outraged liberals in the last administration.

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, according to Moline (paging Sarah Palin...), quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "Who shall live and who shall die."

The president ended the call by wishing the rabbis "shanah tovah," or happy new year -- in reference to the High Holidays a month from now.

[Salvation]

And guess what, Obortion?

 

Pass it on!

 

 

[Salvation]

[SunkenCiv]

Heh... no comment.

Thanks Avoiding_Sulla.

[pankot]

The less pretty the better, like Lake of Fire with 0’s father.

[pankot]

Now he’s got Jesus on his side! Who’d a thunk it? De Lawd gonna fight for the Messiah! Sarah better look out now!

[cycjec]

I tried to make a start on this in the other thread
where this appalling non-quote appeared.

[cycjec]

That tune might or might not be used in some classical
music of the 18th Century. I can’t recall details. If
that was the only “mistake” Moline saw fit to identify
I must refrain from discussing him any more I think.

[cycjec]

No. The "who shall live and who shall die" is in the Rosh Hashanah Liturgy. There is a passage in the Talmud, Kiddushin 30b which says, approximately "there are three partners in making a person, the Holy One Blessed be He, the father and the mother. That is an entirely unrelated subject. We are not given dominion over our own bodies, let alone those of others. See Rabbi Mordechai Biser's THE NEW IDEOLOGY IN HEALTH CARE AND HOW TO SURVIVE IT Jewish World Review 2004/5765 for some discussion of this. That this conference should occur on the eve of Rosh Chodesh Elul, 30 days before Rosh Hashanah is profoundly dismaying to me, as is the fact that it would appear that none of the participants in this conference have presented the authentic Torah view.

[Yaelle]

Thank you, Mrs. Don-o!

Every word laughed out of his mouth about what the “stupid Americans” think is in the plan was a lie. He knows dang well what was in the Senate HELP committee. He wants what he wants (abortion for everyone on demand) and he will do any means necessary (LOL) to get it.

I think in the end the pro-abortion pushers want the powerlessness of women. Think about it. Push abortion to its extreme, along the lines of this health care plan, and what do you get?

You get women who wish they could have their babies but are being told by their Medical Care Provider that they cannot get prenatal or birth care, but that an abortion is covered.

I know Obama is a President who hates the American people, but I think he hates the female ones most.

[Yaelle]

In other words, the amendment barred “government funding of abortion.” It failed: 19 voted for it and 22 voted against it.

Does Obama not know this? Or is he just flat-out lying?

Well, he is not as smart as he thinks he is, but still I'd have to go with Flat Out Lying.

[Yaelle]

from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "Who shall live and who shall die."

Can a Jewish FReeper explain this in context? Just so we know how far out of whack BamBam took it.

Very far out of whack. G-d the Almighty decides who will live or who will die. Obviously G-d does know who will be blessed in the next year already. But in the liturgy of both Rosh Hashana (the Jewish New Year) and one week later Yom Kippur (the Jewish Day of Atonement), there are prayers in which we beg for forgiveness, promise to right our wrongs, all to G-D!!! (Not to Obama) There is the hope that through our penitence, our prayers, our restitutions, and our deeds of kindness, we might change the fate that awaits us, if it's not a good one.

There is NOTHING in Jewish liturgy in these sacred holidays OR in any other Jewish prayer saying that we are partners in choosing who lives or who dies. We have the choice to REPENT, to REDEEM our own lives, and to do good works.

However, there is in the Jewish religion the concept of G-d taking us as his partners to make the world a better place (Tikkun Olam) during our lives. We are supposed to use our lives for good, and to help make this place better. The Almighty taking us as partners in that endeavor is like us trusting our little tot to hand out cocktail napkins at a party. We are not REALLY anywhere near the equal of our Creator. But the way he holds his head does lead one to believe that Obama may feel he is on that level.