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Doomed pigs used to teach first aid
SignOnSanDiego.com ^ | August 8, 2009 | Kristina Davis

Posted on 08/08/2009 8:47:46 AM PDT by missycocopuffs

As the blood began to surge from a femoral artery, Lance Cpl. Chad Pham dug his hand into the gaping wound to stanch the flow.

Fellow Marines were doing the same all around him, trying desperately to keep their pig patients from bleeding out and dying on stretchers in the dusty clearing of a Valley Center avocado grove.

Working as though the pigs were comrades who had just taken a blast from a roadside bomb, the members of Camp Pendleton's 1st ANGLICO unit realized a tourniquet would do no good on this kind of wound, inflicted by a scalpel. Instead, they packed the holes with gauze and leaned hard on the arteries.

“This was a guy that was standing next to you five minutes ago,” an instructor barked. “Make it work!”

As the training progressed, the sounds of battle blared through a loudspeaker and the pigs were shot with 12-gauge shotguns and rounds from a 7.62mm rifle, causing more grotesque injuries.

Though it has received little publicity, the training has become standard on numerous U.S. military bases and off-site locations across the country during the eighth year of war in the Middle East. It is intended to prepare front-line troops and corpsmen for the gore and pressure they will encounter treating wounds on the battlefield.

Military officials and Marines who have received the “live tissue” training maintain that nothing else could prepare them as well for battle.

(Excerpt) Read more at 3.signonsandiego.com ...


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KEYWORDS: animalrights; banglist; medicine; military
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“We think live-tissue training for soldiers, medics and physicians and other first responders is not necessary [...],” said Dr. John J. Pippin, a Dallas cardiologist with Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a nonprofit health organization.

I hate when reporters don't look into the sources of their information...Ms. Davis needs to dig a little further. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is an animal rights front group, funded in part by PETA, and whose membership is approximately 96% non-physicians. The group advocates vegan eating.

The American Medical Association (AMA), which is comprised of, ya know, actual medical doctors, has called PCRM a “fringe organization” that uses “unethical tactics” and is “interested in perverting medical science.”

I believe that this kind of training saves lives on the battlefield. Good work, marines!

1 posted on 08/08/2009 8:47:47 AM PDT by missycocopuffs
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To: missycocopuffs

Save the pig or have bacon?


2 posted on 08/08/2009 8:49:40 AM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: missycocopuffs

I can haz BACON cheeseburger?!


3 posted on 08/08/2009 8:58:30 AM PDT by LiberConservative (Earning a spot on 0bama's enemies list since 2008)
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To: missycocopuffs

Yeah. Agenda reporting.

Context? Facts? Those are meaningless distractions from the story.

As Hearst reportedly told an employee he’d sent to Cuba: “You provide the pictures and I’ll provide the war.”


4 posted on 08/08/2009 9:01:13 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 199 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: missycocopuffs

Glad to hear so many of our trops are getting good training.

Waaaay back in the day, folks I worked with fought to be allowed to attend ‘goat school’ same super good deal medical training and you also got to learn how gut, skin and clean a goat for BBQ.

Good for the Army, and (fill the blank) on the PETA types.


6 posted on 08/08/2009 9:07:24 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: FrPR

Well, the real message is pigs are worth more than soldiers.

Have I mentioned lately just how much I loathe the left?


8 posted on 08/08/2009 9:11:21 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 199 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: GeronL
Save the pig or have bacon?

That was my first thought. One happy pig or BLT's all round. What's to lose?

9 posted on 08/08/2009 9:13:05 AM PDT by Free State Four
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To: FrPR

I like yer idea. Honor the fallen pigs who gave their lives to their country!


10 posted on 08/08/2009 9:13:11 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: missycocopuffs

***I believe that this kind of training saves lives on the battlefield. Good work, marines! ***

But-but just a few years ago the MSM was saying that the Military surgeons were getting their battlefield training in the major hospitals in the US because of all the woulds caused by those evil assault rifles on the street!

And we can believe the MSM, can’t we?

Sarc/off.


11 posted on 08/08/2009 9:13:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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To: null and void

Sometimes I wonder if it’s ‘agenda reporting’ or just plain reporter laziness...or maybe journalism training doesn’t stress fact and source checking anymore?!


12 posted on 08/08/2009 9:15:06 AM PDT by missycocopuffs
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

woulds = wounds.

Proofread,
Proofread.
Proofread!


13 posted on 08/08/2009 9:16:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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To: missycocopuffs
It's a little of both. Experienced reporters and editors - not “journalists” - have left the field or retired. Younger writers lack the facts and haven't developed the means of filtering nonsense from truth. The lack of revenue and high cost of production of MSM means that those high-cost editors and fact checkers are not hired or fired. There is constant pressure to produce now, produce now, produce now! Therefore, much more sloppy work goes out than used to.

Even in the days of Watergate and the Pentagon papers, the New York Times would not have produced an error-filled obituary for Walter Cronkite. If ever there is irony, there it is! Perhaps the old reporters were biased, but they could spell, use correct grammar, and knew the English language. The only radio personality these days who is proficient with English rhetoric is Rush Limbaugh!

14 posted on 08/08/2009 9:28:57 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

Thought ya’ll might want to see how signsonsandiego is picking a fight with saving lives. Comments following the article are mixed. Just for the record, mechanical simulations can’t match live for this kind of teaching, IMHO.

(But I also want save Missy the trouble of “all ya’ll” telling her that m at the front of Marines should be a capital : )


15 posted on 08/08/2009 11:34:10 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: freema

God bless our Marines.


16 posted on 08/08/2009 12:13:57 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON!!!")
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To: freema
And no one blamed GWB?

Jeez, you people are slipping

LOL!

17 posted on 08/08/2009 1:49:33 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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Some of the ‘hell-house” sims at 29 Palms now use Marines who have lost their limbs in combat action. They sim out Marines who have had their arms or legs blown off and then have cosmetic injuries (including spurting blood), yell and raise all kinds of ruckus to scare and prepare our Marines for the worst case scenarios. They may not be on the front lines, but those Marines are STILL saving lives.


18 posted on 08/08/2009 3:28:29 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON!!!")
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To: freema

I sort of feel sorry for the poor onkers. But can see the value in real time emergency procedures along these lines.


19 posted on 08/08/2009 4:21:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Mr. Jazzy; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...
Some of the ‘hell-house” sims at 29 Palms now use Marines who have lost their limbs in combat action. They sim out Marines who have had their arms or legs blown off and then have cosmetic injuries (including spurting blood), yell and raise all kinds of ruckus to scare and prepare our Marines for the worst case scenarios. They may not be on the front lines, but those Marines are STILL saving lives.

That's awesome. And probably really good therapy to see the bros in action, see the emotion, working like mad dogs to save their lives.

20 posted on 08/08/2009 6:05:25 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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