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To: Red in Blue PA
Good grief. Where is Sutherlin?
To: Red in Blue PA
Article could be leaving things out. But as it stands, it sounds like murder.
5 posted on
08/08/2009 5:09:47 AM PDT by
Talisker
(When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
To: Red in Blue PA
The guy deserves prison time. This was not an act of self-defense or even defending his property. Probably, just some drunk wandered into the wrong house and fell asleep. Should have just waited for police. There was no eminent threat.
6 posted on
08/08/2009 5:10:41 AM PDT by
Always Right
(The Brown Shirt Media © is coming!)
To: Red in Blue PA
unlocked door + alcohol + firearm = tragedy. Old, sad story.
9 posted on
08/08/2009 5:13:30 AM PDT by
tgusa
(Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
To: Red in Blue PA
The Peoples Republic of Oregon.
10 posted on
08/08/2009 5:15:31 AM PDT by
mad_as_he$$
(Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
To: Red in Blue PA
Oregon.
IIRC, Sutherlin is down near Eugene.
15 posted on
08/08/2009 5:17:39 AM PDT by
djf
(The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
To: Red in Blue PA
From the real estate ads this appears to be in Oregon.
19 posted on
08/08/2009 5:29:47 AM PDT by
Condor51
(The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
To: Red in Blue PA
I fail to see how they could find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Had a stranger walked into my house while my wife and kids were there, I’d be on edge. I imagine this guy was. And once the intruder made a move, it could easily be taken as agressive. Either he had a weak attorney, or the state had a really good one.
21 posted on
08/08/2009 5:49:45 AM PDT by
al_c
(Our government is not a spectator sport.)
To: Red in Blue PA
Christy Cramer went into the master bedroom with her daughter and locked the door. The pair then left the house through a back door in the bedroom, Stoll said. Christy Cramer picked her husband up at the nearby bar and took him home. All three entered the home but could not get into the bedroom where guns were located because the door was locked from the inside, so Christy Cramer and the young girl went to the car and called police, Stoll said.
The woman and daughter escape the house, safe and sound, just to go to the bar to pick up her husband and return to the house instead of calling the cops. Not too smart. There's more to the story than meets the eye. The Cramers were looking for blood.
22 posted on
08/08/2009 6:00:21 AM PDT by
varon
(Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
To: Red in Blue PA
The homeowner was wrong 10 percent no if an’s or but’s about it.
The wife and child had removed themselves from danger when they left this house, so there was no threat to them.
She should have called the police and waited for them.
GUILTY AS HECK.
31 posted on
08/08/2009 6:28:05 AM PDT by
stockpirate
("The time for talking is past, now is the time for taking action." Barack Obama 2008)
To: Red in Blue PA
Some guys keep firearms because they are afraid someone will try to break into their home. Some guys keep firearms because they are hoping someone will try to break into their home.
32 posted on
08/08/2009 6:43:15 AM PDT by
Pilsner
To: Red in Blue PA
The homeowner should have done the SMART thing—grab a kitchen knife, put it in the guy’s hand and claim self-defense. Law abiding citizens are at the mercy of their leftist masters in states like Oregon. It’s time those citizens learned how to defend themselves from the REAL criminals—their elected officials.
34 posted on
08/08/2009 7:02:04 AM PDT by
Oldpuppymax
(AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
To: Red in Blue PA
Too bad he wasn’t in Texas!
36 posted on
08/08/2009 7:37:27 AM PDT by
BnBlFlag
(Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
To: Red in Blue PA
According to the article, the defendant’s attorney was confident he could get an acquittal if the case went to a jury, but the defendant insisted on pleading guilty to a reduced charge.
To: Red in Blue PA
Guilty. You, the homeowner, retreat from danger, only the cops can advance with deadly force.
In NC he would have gotten a tougher sentence.
38 posted on
08/08/2009 7:59:44 AM PDT by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: Red in Blue PA
The wife and child got out of the home safely. The hubby was in the bar...so the house was empty except for the intruder sleeping on the sofa. I am a big proponent of the right to defend yourself inside your home...but this was definitely a time to call the police and wait for them to do their job. There was no reason for the hubby to go in the house and confront the sleeping intruder.
The moral of the story is...don't get drunk enough that you wander into a strange home, take off your pants, and fall asleep on the sofa. And, don't get drunk enough that you think you think you have the right to shoot someone sleeping on your sofa, when you should sit down at a cafe, have a cup of coffee with you family, and wait for the cops to remove a sleeping intruder. If either or both men had not been drinking, odds are they would have used better judgment.
I have no sympathy for either of them.
To: Red in Blue PA
He should have gone to a jury trial, he would have had a good chance of at least a hung jury. As others have stated, kicking in a door is a felony nomatter what state you are in.
I don’t waste my time mourning the loss of a home invader, and I certainly would not vote to convict someone who shot one. Drunk or not, that is what the intruder was, even if he did fall asleep on the couch.
43 posted on
08/08/2009 9:02:18 AM PDT by
Dayman
(My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
To: Red in Blue PA
1) Who is this Stoll who "said" so much?
2) Was this person present at the time of the shooting?
3) If not, why are we reading about 19 months in the crowbar motel?
Regards,
GtG
48 posted on
08/08/2009 4:59:52 PM PDT by
Gandalf_The_Gray
(I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
To: Red in Blue PA; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...
Oregon Ping Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.
Any of you hear about this?
55 posted on
08/10/2009 10:46:28 PM PDT by
Salvation
(With God all things are possible.)
To: Red in Blue PA
We need “castle doctrine” in Oregon. We won’t get it until we throw out the Democrats, though.
58 posted on
08/11/2009 7:00:06 AM PDT by
B Knotts
(Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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