[Phlyer]

He’d still be a citizen if born in Hawaii, but not a natural born citizen . .

Again, what do you base that on?

If he was born on US sovereign territory, then what is his citizenship if not United States? Are you saying that he is a stateless person because one parent was a foreigner? I think you'd have trouble with the 14th Amendment on that one.

I will continue to maintain that there are only 'native-born / natural-born' or 'naturalized' citizens.

You can continue to make your own definitions that "prove" your point by drawing distinctions between people born in the United States and "natural born" citizens, but I don't see it. There are legitimate questions about whether he was truly born in Hawaii, but you seem to be granting that and still saying that he is not natural born, which doesn't make sense to me. It it makes you happy, then God bless, and have a nice day.

[devistate one four]

Law of nations says both parents must be citizens, period.

Law of nations is the guiding light for this subject.

It is what the framers used to draw up the consitution!

[ridesthemiles]

Hawaii was made a state in 1959. NObama was born in 1961. Hawaii was a state when NObama was born- but I certainly do NOT believe NObama was born on USA soil. I think he was born in Kenya.