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To: Phlyer

Law of nations says both parents must be citizens, period.

Law of nations is the guiding light for this subject.

It is what the framers used to draw up the consitution!


28 posted on 08/04/2009 1:54:17 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: devistate one four

Here is an interesting piece from http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

” Despite the mainstream news media’s silence regarding this matter, an increasing number of Americans are concerned that Barack Obama might not be eligible, under the Constitution, to serve as President.

According to the U.S. Constitution, an individual born after 1787 cannot legally or legitimately serve as U.S. President unless he or she is a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

Among members of Congress and the mainstream news media, the consensus of opinion is that anyone born in the United States is a “natural born citizen”. However, when we researched this issue a bit more carefully, we found that the consensus opinion is not consistent with American history.

In Minor v. Happersett (1874), the Supreme Court said that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are, without doubt, a natural born citizen. In the same case, the Supreme Court also said that, if you were born in the United States and one of your parents was not a U.S. citizen when you were born, your natural born citizenship is in doubt. So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.

With only two exceptions, every American President, who was born after 1787, was born in the United States, to parents who were both U.S. citizens. The two exceptions were Chester Arthur and Barack Obama. When Chester Arthur ran for office, the public did not know about his eligibility problem. Only recently did historians learn that, when Arthur was born, his father was not a U.S. citizen. The 2008 election was the first time in history that the United States knowingly elected a President who was born after 1787 and whose parents were not both U.S. citizens.

Barack Obama publicly admits that his father was not a U.S. citizen. According to Minor v. Happersett, there is unresolved doubt as to whether the child of a non-citizen parent is a natural born citizen. This doubt is not based on the imaginings of some tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists on the lunatic fringe of society. This doubt comes from what the Supreme Court has actually said, as well as a variety of other historical and legal sources which are presented and discussed here.

This Primer introduces and explains the Obama Eligibility Controversy, in question-and-answer format, for a non-technical general audience. We’ve double-checked the facts presented here, and we’ve cited the sources of each fact.”


32 posted on 08/04/2009 2:19:58 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: devistate one four
"It is what the framers used to draw up the consitution!"

No, it is a book that they read. Like many other books. That doesn't make every word in all those books the law.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 2:42:22 PM PDT by mlo
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To: devistate one four
Law of nations says both parents must be citizens, period.
Law of nations is the guiding light for this subject.


Nope. The US Constitution is the guiding light.

[14th Amendment}
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

It's one of the things that makes the United States unique among all the nations of history. We are the only one - that people actually want to come to - that allows anyone who is born here to be a citizen. There are 5th generation Turks living in Germany who are not German citizens.

It is what the framers used to draw up the consitution!

Maybe. But that got changed with the 14th Amendment. It was ratified to keep states from invoking 'grandfather' clauses where someone couldn't vote unless his grandfather had been able to vote. That was being used as a way to keep freed slaves from voting.

So unless you're trying to say that foreign law should be considered authoritative over the US Constitution, for Americans, then I think you've got the wrong argument. And I certainly would not agree to the supremacy of foreign law.

Even if you want to advocate a repeal of the 14th Amendment, it couldn't be retroactively applied to keep Obama from being a citizen. That's in the US Constitution, too. (Article 1, Section 9: No ex post facto laws)
44 posted on 08/04/2009 5:42:28 PM PDT by Phlyer
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