Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
Btw, it says "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution...". In 1765, the meaning of natural born was BOTH parents of the same nationality, actually the father determined nationality.
I can't believe that you would think it's Constitutional for the President to have dual citizenship.
RE :”Wow. You must watch at LOT of MSNBC, because you know what, you sound just like them.”
I watch more and more MSNBC now that Obama is on the long slide down, his peak was last December. It’s fun to watch them try to explain his dropping polls.
MSNBC is the only one really talking about the birthers, Mathews is making every elected republican on his show disown it as Ann Coulter has. It’s the road to no place because few people in a position to get listened to want the crackpot label assigned to them. It’s about as popular as the “Bush planned Sept 11” theories on the other side, the liberal press wouldnt touch that.
I keep hearing this. The President's COLB states he was born in Honolulu. Where does Maya's say she was born?
...means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
Can you show that any of these things have been examined by the Electoral College, etc., for other presidents?
So in your wacky world, Kim Jong Il or Fidel Castro could disqualify any Presidential candidate they wanted simply by unilaterally granting citizenship to them.
That’s one of the dumbest strawman arguments that I’ve ever read.
If he's a natural-born American bastard, it is unlikely to hurt him politically.
If he's a natural-born American bastard, and his school records reveal that his grades were poor, maybe it might hurt him a little bit.
I think he's either (a) a natural-born American citizen and a complete fraud, and thus UNQUALIFIED for the office of the President, or (b) a non-natural-born American citizen and thus INELIGIBLE for the office of the President.
I wonder why Rahm Emmanuel made that trip to Kenya last year?
I wonder why the island of Oahu experienced a complete blackout for about 12 hours, last Christmas?
Because they are either sleepers, shills, plants, have hijacked a user account or are Rodney King Conservatives. in any case they also seem to have a COMPLETE lack of understanding of the issues and the consequences of them.
So if Mahmoud Ahmedinejad granted Sarah Palin Iranian citizenship, would she be eligible on not?
Was her mother or father born in Iran? No.
I don’t care. I’m asking about dual citizenship. Would she be eligible if declared a citizen of Iran?
Under this criteria listed by Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), he can't. They specify two American parents.
I don't give two you-know-whats about how it hurts Republicans. If he isn't eligible to be POTUS, then he is to be thrown out on his ass, plain and simple.
Since I have twice asked the same yes-or-no question, and both times you've answered "no," I guess you are at least consistent in maintaining that Palin would be disqualified from the presidency.
Obama's father was Kenyan. He was a British subject at the time of Obama's birth. Obama admitted on Fight the Smears Truth that he has dual citizenship.
All these things are true.
How can he be a natural born citizen of two American parents with a Kenyan father?
He doesn't have two American parents. His parents are irrelevant, as the U.S. Constitution says nothing regarding that. He's a natural born citizen because he was born in Hawaii.
Under this criteria listed by Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), he can't. They specify two American parents.
This is false. They state that having two American parents is SUFFICIENT, which is true. They do not state that it is a NECESSARY criterion. Learn the difference.
You really are clueless. See ya! Bye.
True, but irrelevant.
A COLB is a legal certification by the state of the facts about the birth contained therein. For the purposes for proving eligibility to be president, that's all that is necessary.
As I understand the facts in this case, Mr. Obama's father not being an American citizen, but rather a British national from Kenya, bars BHO, Jr. from being president. The place of birth is irrelevant.
AHHH, a dedicated birther! If you got a genie in a bottle to give you wishes then why didnt you just have Obama lose the election? Keep dreaming!
MSNBC will love to have you on. This is not hurting republicans because no one in any visible or responsible position will even discuss it. MSNBC complaining about a few Birthers is not hurting republicans, or Obama, it's completely irrelevant.
It's us anti-stimulus/anti-Obama health reformers that are knocking Obama off his feet. Few care where he was born and few ever will.
I did see Kweise Mfume say that viewers should boycott FOX over something else Glenn Beck said about Obama. But since he called for it on MSNBC no one has seen it. He needs to call for a FNC boycott on FNC where the viewers will see it.
Your understanding is incorrect.
You obamanoids are sticking to your instructions I see. It has yet to occur to you that you stick out like sore thumbs at FR even though we have sincere freepers who are concerned that pushing the birth certificate issue will somehow harm an already in the dirt Republican party which has not been looking out for the interests of conservatives now resorting to discrediting the enemy by exposing the illegalities of same. Freepers see the difference in little nettles constantly play apologists for the affirmative action liar, and sincere conservatives concerned over the campaign to out the history of the bastard occupy the Oval Office.
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