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WHEN NOVELISTS SOBER UP
More Intelligent Life ^ | 20 July 2009 | Tom Shone

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:51:59 AM PDT by AreaMan

WHEN NOVELISTS SOBER UP



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: addiction; alcohol; alcoholism; arts; recovery; writers
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

only up at the cabin... :)


41 posted on 07/31/2009 5:42:08 PM PDT by leda (if you put up with what you've got, you deserve what you get)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Prodigal Son; AreaMan; Borges

IMHO, just blanking out the “To” field is the best and quickest method for a general comment on the thread or article.


42 posted on 07/31/2009 7:10:10 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Yeah, I do that myself when I specifically don’t want to get someone’s hackles up over something I’ve said. But a lot of times I think people just post and don’t think too much about it if they post to the one who originally published the thread. I don’t know if kattracks or JohnHuang2 still post dozens of news threads every day but I used to try to imagine what their ‘my comments’ page must look like...


43 posted on 07/31/2009 11:20:31 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: lafroste
This is one of those rare threads that to respond at all would require a good sized thesis.

LOL! Right you are, and inasmuch as I have just popped another cap on a particularly good IPA I'll make a shtab at it...

I think I get it, I really do, although I'm not a writer on the order of a Nabokov or a drinker on the order of Amis. But what they're looking for is The Zone, and alcohol helps them get there and stay there. Other stuff does too, but tends to be too severe for longevity (i.e. King's cocaine, and, well, we'll get there).

It isn't just writing - musicians, especially improvisational musicians such as jazz or rock musicians, know all about The Zone. It's where the self and the mechanics sort of fade and what comes out seems only to have muscle memory between whatever dark recesses of the brain from which it bubbled up and the chosen instrument. When you're in it stuff just comes out, and later if you're reading it or listening to it you tend to say "Wow, that's good, who was that?"

With musicians it's alcohol and especially heroin. I don't know why but I can make a case from the artists who have died from those temptations, (and the not inconsiderable number who conquered them and ended up dying in some sort of aircraft crash afterward, but that's a topic for another day). If you're a real ego-head you assume The Zone is you and your talent, but it isn't, it's only a place you visit if you're really on. And it can be hard to find, as a lot of superb writers find out to their utter devastation - Hemingway, for one, who blew his brains out over it. You drink, or you shoot up, because it helps you find The Zone, or later, tragically, because it makes you think that you have when you haven't.

That isn't to say that anything like alcohol is required for brilliant writing, or music, or whatever. But if you start to think that it is, it is. And coming out of it means that the individual involved feels that he or she must choose between a life of mediocrity or a another taste of artistic achievement that turns out to cost the artist that life, even if by then the achievement is only illusory. It's a double addiction, and a profound misplacement of self, and it's a little frightening to contemplate.

Fortunately for those of us not cursed with that sort of evanescent talent, there's still beer. (Sound of BtD falling off his chair and snoring on the carpet).

44 posted on 08/01/2009 12:20:27 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: D-fendr
IMHO, just blanking out the “To” field is the best and quickest method for a general comment on the thread or article.
. . . especially when making a late reply on the thread.

Not that anyone would necessarily ever read it . . .


45 posted on 08/01/2009 3:23:20 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Vincent Price at his priceless best! The man was not a “star” nor was he a “celebrity”, but an actor who enjoyed acting. I loved watching the old ham in those 60s era horror flicks just for the pure enjoyment Price brought to his parts, playing the villain with such gusto.


46 posted on 08/01/2009 4:35:33 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: leda

Yeah, well, EVERYONE who has a cabin has lived through that, LOL! The first cabin my Grandparents owned (late 1950’s) had an outhouse.

They moved to a cabin with plumbing when I came along. Grandma was afraid I’d fall down the pit, LOL!


47 posted on 08/01/2009 6:54:54 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

.BUtterfield 8 (It’s a phone number; it’s spelled correctly)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Wonder how many times you will have to explain that???

Like ‘party line’ as to a phone..
Just showing age here<: <: <:
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BTW this string ‘morphs’ into John Cheevers and a cabin. Sounds like it would make a good Sienfeld episode.

Then again most things in life can turn into a Sienfeld..


48 posted on 08/01/2009 7:06:18 AM PDT by xrmusn
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To: Old North State

Yeah, I know what you mean.


49 posted on 08/01/2009 7:19:22 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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