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Born in the USA: NRO Takes on Birther Nonsense
National Review Online ^

Posted on 07/28/2009 2:43:39 PM PDT by RuyDiaz

If I may appeal to our good friends pinning their hopes on this birther nonsense, please read up on the nature of conspiracy theories. Best regards;

Now an excerpt:

Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day off—or even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience. The president’s birthday comes to mind because we recently spent some time looking at a photograph of his birth certificate, being held by Joe Miller of Factcheck.org, who took the time to examine it. President Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m, in Honolulu County, Hawaii, on the island of Oahu. The serial number on his birth certificate is 010641. Baby Barack’s birth was not heralded, as some of his partisans have suggested, by a star in the east, but it was heralded by the Honolulu Star, as well as the Honolulu Advertiser, each of which published birth announcements for young Mr. Obama.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: birth; conspiracy; hawaii; obama
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To: ROTB

I just ran across this about those “backers”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/those-gazan-con.html


41 posted on 07/28/2009 3:40:56 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: RuyDiaz
...please read up on the nature of conspiracy theories.

Nice try, but...

A conspiracy theory typically regards an unprovable set of circumstances or an event.

In this case, the conspiracy lies on the part of the subject of the conspiracy, namely, Obama. The conspiracy says that he is hiding something.

And, he can easily dispose of the whole controversy or conspiracy by proving via the long form birth certificate that he was indeed born n the U.S..

Obama is the one prolonging this "conspiracy". He can easily dispose of it and he can gloat for months about the lunacy of the right-wing nutjobs who tried to unseat him outside of the ballot box. If he was truly born in the U.S., he has a lot more to gain than lose.

But, he can't dispose of the "conspiracy" because he's got something to hide and the real birth certificate would be very damaging to his presidency.
42 posted on 07/28/2009 3:41:29 PM PDT by adorno (Where is Branch 4?)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, yes; ordinary people must not be allowed to decide for themselves. We must abide by the will of the elites.


43 posted on 07/28/2009 3:41:36 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Revolting cat!

It’s because the USA is still a very young Federation, and the last Constitutional Crisis led to the Civil War.

That’s why the Repub’s give the Dems a pass a lot of times. They are scared of another Civil War. The Dems on the other hand use that as their Ace card.


44 posted on 07/28/2009 3:42:53 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Dad, can't be NBC)
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To: Darkwolf377

In claiming his father was a Kenyan at the time of his birth and not an American, he himself raised the issue. But thank you for your persistent ignorance.


45 posted on 07/28/2009 3:43:56 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: RuyDiaz

Please, by all means, enlighten us and point to exactly where we too may be so privileged as to be allowed to examine the original, long-form, vault copy birth certificate as so many have done. We were not aware of your knowledge of such examination. Please don’t keep it a secret any longer.


46 posted on 07/28/2009 3:47:46 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: RuyDiaz

Please, by all means, enlighten us and point to exactly where we too may be so privileged as to be allowed to examine the original, long-form, vault copy birth certificate as so many have done. We were not aware of your knowledge of such examination. Please don’t keep it a secret any longer.

BTW you dishonor a great name.

Do you really think that the Cid would attempt to lead such dishonest efforts to assist the man who daily exposes us more and more to Islamist evils just when we could be stopping it cold.


47 posted on 07/28/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory
In claiming his father was a Kenyan at the time of his birth and not an American, he himself raised the issue. But thank you for your persistent ignorance.

The nasty whine of the unappreciated town crier. "You people don't have MY secret knowledge!"

Talk about elites! LOL!

48 posted on 07/28/2009 3:51:54 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: RuyDiaz
No wonder "conservatism" is in such bad shape when the idjit "conservative" media make such stupid mistakes (or tell such lies). No, the author(s) did NOT see Obama's birth certificate. They may have seen the counterfeit certificate of live birth, but not the birth certificate. That's where the problem lies.

What a joke NR has become since the advent of Rich Lowry.

49 posted on 07/28/2009 3:54:31 PM PDT by jammer
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To: mkjessup; RuyDiaz
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

From Wikipedia (I know, I know--they're in on it, too!):

In 1997, Farah created the news website WorldNetDaily as a division of the Western Journalism Center. In 1999, WorldNetDaily was spun off[5] as a for-profit division of the Center. The Center and Farah own a majority of WorldNetDaily's stock.[6] In 2004, Smith became publisher of a revived website/magazine version of the Sacramento Union, but was ousted from that position in June 2005. The Center currently hides from its targets, and doesn't include either an address or telephone number on its letterhead, but is believed to be headed by conservative political operative Floyd Brown.[7]

So when you get right down to it, WorldNetDaily is everywhere you go on this story.

Yep, that's some stunning journalism going on there. Of course, no journalist wants the fame and fortune that would come from taking down a president--nah, none of them care about scandals and all that. They're ALL in the tank.

50 posted on 07/28/2009 3:56:31 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

There’s nothing secret about it, oh ignorant one; it is laid out in a Supreme Court decision from 1874. Try reading the actual legal opinions and respected legal commentary and tell us what you think. In the meantime thank you again for your scornful and willful ignorance. The more of this kind of willful ignorance from such as yourself the more ordinary people realize there has been a betrayal of the trust of ordinary citizens that is historically unmatched since the days of Chet Arthur.


51 posted on 07/28/2009 4:04:19 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory

What’s funny is how you defenders of the country are so full of insults and anger because you haven’t been recognized for your courage, while us “ignorant ones” keep looking for, you know, actual facts.


52 posted on 07/28/2009 4:08:59 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

Please tell us of a single “actual fact” that you have established. We’d all love to know about it.


53 posted on 07/28/2009 4:17:23 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Darkwolf377; All

Why don’t you try refuting the content of the article?

Anyone can engage in Joe Farah bashing (and I’m on record for bashing him when it is appropriate) but read the damn article and let’s see you if you can refute the data?

I’m still waiting for someone, ANYone (perhaps you?) to explain to us why, of ALL the 43 presidential predecessors to 0bama, not ONE of them ever engaged in such efforts to conceal the details of their birth, their school years, their travel to foreign countries, their passport data, etc., but here we are with 0bama spending money hand over fist to be sure that his records are kept from the public.

‘We The People’ put that SOB into Office, and that is why we have a RIGHT to demand that he prove his qualifications to OUR satisfaction, not to the satisfaction of his bloody press secretary, not to the satisfaction of Bill O’Freakin-Riley, not to the satisfaction of his sycophants and apologists on Daily KOS, DU, etc., but to OUR satisfaction, and that means we want to see the ORIGINAL vault copy of the damn birth certificate, we want to know WHO the doctor was that delivered 0bama, we want to know WHICH hospital it was, we want to know WHO was present at his birth, and we want to know WHY it’s been such a big damn deal to obtain this information!

And we want to know WHY he’s got relatives in Kenya who keep insisting they were present at his birth in THAT country!

TKU (The Kenyan Usurper) will have no rest from me until he coughs up the data that the American people deserve and I don’t care if I’m the last one standing, I will demand it and shout it until Hell freezes over or until somebody puts a bullet in my damn skull.

Does that make it clear enough for you?


54 posted on 07/28/2009 4:20:07 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama is ineligible to serve based on Article II Section 1 of the Constitution. End of Story.)
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To: Darkwolf377

What actual facts are you looking for?

Seems you’re content with your opinion and not looking to find facts that counter it.


55 posted on 07/28/2009 4:27:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: Eagle Eye

*BINGO*


56 posted on 07/28/2009 4:28:57 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama is ineligible to serve based on Article II Section 1 of the Constitution. End of Story.)
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To: RuyDiaz
While a Certificat of Live Birth

Make that Certification of Live Birth

Dang Vista operating system locked up on me, and I had to change computers to post the correction.

57 posted on 07/28/2009 5:04:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: cumbo78

Interesting scenario, but there’s a problem - one doesn’t lose American citizenship that way. Indonesian laws don’t apply in the U.S. and the State Department lists how one can lose citizenship: the citizen must declare his desire to renounce citizenship to a consular officer and sign an oath of renunciation. Parents may not renounce on behalf of minors, and those under 18 may only renounce if the consular officer is convinced the minor understands the consequences and implications.

American citizens do not lose their citizenship due to foreign marriages or adoptions.


58 posted on 07/28/2009 5:53:39 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Darkwolf377
What’s funny is how you defenders of the country are so full of insults and anger because you haven’t been recognized for your courage, while us “ignorant ones” keep looking for, you know, actual facts.

Actual facts, even Obama aknowledges? Like his father being a foreign national, a subject of Her Majesty the Queen. Later a citizen of Kenya? Even Ba rack was a subject of her Majesty, when he was born, and he's admitted as well.

59 posted on 07/28/2009 7:15:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: RuyDiaz
I don't particularly trust WorldNetDaily as a source, but this makes perfect sense:

On July 27, 2009 Janice Okubo told WorldNetDaily, “I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department. When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records, whether in paper form or any other form, [were] maintained. We don’t destroy records. Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department. We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have.”

I believe it. Why on earth would they destroy the original documents?

If accurate, that contradicts the editors of National Review:

The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

The COLB itself is a "secondary document," as is the computerized state record that is used to create each COLB. The primary document is the original Certificate of Live Birth, or Certificate of Delayed Birth, or another member of the rather extensive line of Hawaiian birth documents.

For the umpteenth time, here is a link to an actual long form Certificate of Live Birth. Note that it is dated less than a year after Obama's, indicating that the long form certificates were still being used at the time of Obama's birth. Note that it looks markedly different from a COLB, and that it contains much more information than a COLB. Though the NR editors try to conflate them, the two documents are not equivalent.

Sorry NR editors, but Obama probably WAS issued a primary birth document, and it probably DOES still exist, "cloaked in darkness" in a folder in a file cabinet in Hawaii.

If such a document exists, then the President of the United States can certainly get a copy of it released to the public. He might be more inclined to do so if you asked him.

60 posted on 07/28/2009 9:58:02 PM PDT by TChad
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