Posted on 07/27/2009 10:58:25 PM PDT by pissant
In another carefully worded statement, Hawaii's health director claimed today to have seen "original vital records" that prove "Barrack [sic] Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."
Chiyome Fukino issued the brief statement in response to the rising chorus of concern across the country about Obama's failure to release a copy of his long-form birth certificate that would reveal the hospital in which he was born, the attending physician and other pertinent details.
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago ... " read the entire statement in which the president's first name was misspelled and no mention was made of the specific document reviewed.
Fukino originally issued a similar statement last fall.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Mmm, I don’t know, Star Traveler. When a government official says trust me, I usually do the exact opposite. Wny are they trying so hard to convince me without actually convincing me? I will trust the document drawn up at the time of his birth in the hospital he was born at that contains the signature of the doctor and nurse that attended him. NOTHING else will do. If Jesus Christ came down from Heaven, knocked on my door, and said,”Hey, Chris, trust me, Barack Obama was born at one of the two Hawaiian hospitals he said he was born at”, Jesus Christ would be told to produce the document in question.
Like Mr. Gibblets said, nothing will never convince me.
Well..., you’ve got to keep in mind, it wasn’t the State of Hawaii trying to convince someone else — but rather all those *others* who were *clamoring* for the State of Hawaii to say something else — other than what they did last year.
If you remember from last year the complaint of the FReepers here was that they did not say where he was born. So, almost a whole year later and with many FReepers and others *after* the State of Hawaii to *say something more* — they finally did.
That doesn’t sound like the State of Hawaii trying to convince someone — that sounds like hundreds of thousands banging at the door of the State of Hawaii... LOL...
And so, finally they said something more — and the “more” was that Obama was born in Hawaii and that he is a natural-born American citizen — they released the “more information” that everyone has been *hammering* them about....
I don’t see were it says anything about a hospital.
I can understand what you are saying, however, the words “trust me” from a government official of the USA with regard to this matter are FAIL, so much so that it is laughable. This is where I feel like someone is trying to convince me, but without actually offering any actual proof.
But furthermore, I don’t believe that there is any way that they can claim that he is a “natural-born citizen” even if they had viewed his actual long form bc, because if his parents are who he has said they are, then he is not, by any means, a natural born citizen.
Original vital records huh? So what exactly would those be or not? More lawyer gibberish.
So what is the next step and how does did affect the lawsuits on Mr. Obama's eligibility for his office?
I am not a lawyer but I would think an acceptable solution would be for this individual to give an acceptable copy (that would meet the requirement for passport, social security, etc.) To the attorneys (possibly with a signed, witnessed statement) for submission to the courts involved in these cases. That should make all of the lawsuites go ago, If they are not willing to do this, then, it would seem to be just another Kabuki dance.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. These people know the terms of the debate, and to use presumptive language here is telling. Nobody wants to talk about the one thing that can clear all this up, not Barack Obama, not his Administration, not the Media, not even Hawaiian Officials. No one wants to talk about the 1961 Certificate of Live Birth. Pretty much all the people involved in this...the Executive Branch, Legislators, Media...all have degrees in higher education. These are well educated people and when you see them avoid the obvious premise of the argument itself, you know that they're hiding something.
What that something is...I don't know.
Filing a birth certificate issued by a foreign government for a child born to 2 US citizens abroad is does not confer upon a state the right to use that information as proof of US citizenship. It needs certification by the federal government.
Back in the early 70s, my daughter was born in Viet Nan. I am a natural-born citizen and my daughter’s mother is a naturalized citizen. When we tried to file her VN birth certificate with the State of New York, they accepted a copy and told us that all they could ever issue in the future was a certificate of birth data that mimics the information on the original foreign document, but it could not be used for obtaining a US passport. The clerk said that we should go get a citizenship certificate from the federal immigration authorities (INS). With this advice, we did that also. The INS officers issued a certificate of citizenship with a serial number beginning with “AA” (double “A”), my wife has a certificate of citizenship with a serial number beginning with a single “A”. The immigration officer told us that naturalized citizens get an “A” certificate and natural-born citizens (both parents citizens) get an “AA” certificate. That was 1972.
Does Barry have a certificate of citizenship? Does it have “A” or “AA” on it?
Did Obama have a aunt that was a judge in Hawaii?
So why doesn't he just give the OK release all the records and end all this silliness?
I mean it's an easy thing to do right? Right?
Then all this controversy would end and we can get back to discussing important things like how best to ruin the economy and destroy the military and increase totalitarianism throughout the world.
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Don't those Hawaii evasive, secretive, and Obama-protecting bureaurcrats get it yet?
1. This Obama birth certificate issue has gone way past the point where Hawaii bureaucrats---mainly just highly-paid clerks---can continue to tell us "ad nauseum" about this or tell us that about Obama's birth certificate and we the public naively believed them.
2. For instance, how dare Fukino insult our intelligence by coming out and saying that Obama was a natural born citizen. Is she a lawyer? Is she a member of the U.S. Supreme Court?
3. Look Fukino. We no longer are taking the word of some high-paid Hawaii clerk about what is on Obama's birth certificate.
4. It is time for Hawaii officials to show us the beef now, because Hawaii officials should have VOLUNTARILY shown us Obama's long form 1961 birth certificate long ago.
5. Fukino. in your naive way, you think that the only item that should be important to the public on Obama's 1961 birth certificate is his place of birth.
6. Sorry, Fukino, but we have grown more suspicous with the passage of time, and now we also want to know the names of the doctor and the hospital, because if there is no doctor name or hospital name, you and Obama have a lot of explaining to do.
7. Fukino, we also want to see if the word "African" appears on Obama's long form birth certificate as it does on the Obama short form birth certificate that Obama displayed on his official site during the 2008 campaign.
8. If the word "African" for the RACE of Obama's Kenyan father is NOT on Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate while it is on Obama's short form, then you, Obama and other high-ranking Hawaii officials have a lot of explaining to do.
9. Finally, we also want to check if Obama's mother's address on the 1961 long form birth certificate is the same as the address in the 1961 newspaper birth listing, because if it is different, Obama has a lot of explaining to do before the presidential primaries in 2012.
10. So, Fukino, let me emphasize again that we are tired of Hawaii officials telling us a little bit here and a little there about Obama's long form birth certificate.
11. We want to see Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate now, or in the remaining 3 years of his term, Obama will continue to be under tremendous and growing pressure to release his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate.
12. WARNING: If Hawaii officials, like you, and Obama continue to stonewall the public when it comes to examining Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate, then there is no way in Hell that I am going to vote for Obama in 2012.
I continue to think there is something on the original document that Obama does not want the public to see. I find it suspicious that this official has a statement crafted by her lawyers, and says “I have nothing to add”. That suggests to me that there is something else of substance that she doesn’t want to stick her neck out and mention. What it is I am not sure—it could be something fairly minor that Obama would rather keep private and now that it’s created such an uproar he is stubbornly sticking by his decision to keep it private. I think it’s unlikely he was born anywhere other than Hawaii, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t see any reason his parents or grandparents would have in 1961 to concoct a false birthplace—I’m sure him becoming president one day wasn’t even a fleeting thought in their minds.
You said — I don’t see were it says anything about a hospital.
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There are two forms put out. One is a limited form and does not contain all the information and the other is the full form and has all the data. The news report that you read — which gave the date, time and hospital — would come from the form that has all the data.
You said — I can understand what you are saying, however, the words “trust me” from a government official of the USA with regard to this matter are FAIL, so much so that it is laughable. This is where I feel like someone is trying to convince me, but without actually offering any actual proof.
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Well, even if some FReepers saw the document they would not believe it. Now..., I’m not making this up or “saying so” off the top of my head. I’m repeating what I’ve seen posted here, on Free Republic, already. It was clearly stated that there was *nothing* that could ever be shown, printed up, testified to, have an expert give an opinion on or *anything* that would ever get him to believe it.
Thus, it appears to be what Gibbs said, that there’s nothing that anyone could do to convince some of these people.
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And lastly you said — But furthermore, I don’t believe that there is any way that they can claim that he is a “natural-born citizen” even if they had viewed his actual long form bc, because if his parents are who he has said they are, then he is not, by any means, a natural born citizen.
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Well, the funny thing about that, is that you’ve got FReepers arguing on both sides of that one... LOL...
And if you can’t get FReepers to agree on it, then it’s obvious that it’s not such a settled matter as some say. So, I’m in the very doubtful category on that one....
I understand that but from the sentence it clearly says the hospital was on the form that was shown at fightthesmears.com which it wasn’t. ‘trust me’
You said — I understand that but from the sentence it clearly says the hospital was on the form that was shown at fightthesmears.com which it wasn’t. ‘trust me’
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The hospital is not on that form... Thus, since there are two forms, and it’s not on one form, it’s on the other form.
Like I said, if his long form BC proves he is natural born, then so be it.
I don’t fear being proved wrong, I fear the rogue government of the USA.
I fear the obvious lair that inhabits our house.
Nothing will NEVER convince me.
Yeah, I just say that if it’s proven that he’s not a natural born citizen then Impeach and Convict him. If he is, then forget this birth certificate issue.
The big concerns are what’s happening in this country right now and the legislation, the Congress, the economy and a whole pot full of issues to deal with...
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