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1 posted on 07/21/2009 5:08:26 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
>a family court can order a man to reimburse the government for the welfare money, falsely labeled “child support,” that was paid to the mother of a child to whom he is not related?

Kind of old news now.
Not from NJ where they do it all of the time?

He is the effective legal father. Don't you love these arcane concepts that they codify into law? tough crap for you dude! try voting the bastards out.
(Tough love from the liberal trash running the legal system)

2 posted on 07/21/2009 5:13:38 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Kaslin
It is very bad out there for men.

I had an employee to whom I paid about $10 per hour. Good wages for the job he had.

He was a nice guy but did screw up and had a child out of wedlock.

The judge, female, ordered child support payments equal to his gross earnings, so he started going to jail every three or four months on a two to three week sentence for non-payment.

When he told the judge he obviously could not pay the whole amount each month she ordered him to get a better job, as if he was capable of that (he was not). He did have a second job but he did have to live somewhere and eat now and then. The judge did not care.

3 posted on 07/21/2009 5:22:03 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Kaslin
Phyllis Schlafly is a gift, I have only started to appreciate her the last few years but she is wonderful.

Yes the family courts are like Islamic courts in Iran and pro-life republicans made a deal with the feminists to promote single mom-hood and destroy marriage. Its why the whole Palin pro-life theme leaves me flat.

4 posted on 07/21/2009 5:35:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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Frank Hatley was in a Georgia jail for more than a year for failure to pay alleged "child support" even though a DNA test nine years ago plus a second one this year proved that he is not the father. The Aug. 21, 2001, court order, signed by Judge Dane Perkins, acknowledged that Hatley is not the father but nevertheless ordered him to continue paying and never told him he could have a court-appointed lawyer if he could not afford one.

Wow, can we prosecute the Judge, the prosecution, the CPS (or agency in charge of child support) under USC TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13, § 241 & § 242? (Conspiracy against rights AND Deprivation of rights under color of law, respectively)
Moreover, the cited law allows for the death-penalty in cases where kidnapping (or attempt) was used in such conspiracy/deprivation. (see: http://definitions.uslegal.com/k/kidnapping/ #3,5,& 6 may all be applicable)

And finally, just to cement that the cited federal laws ARE applicable: either Amendment 6 or 7 of the United States constitution is applicable; one deals with civil suits, the other with criminal, and both guarantee the right to a Jury trial in this instance.

7 posted on 07/21/2009 5:42:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Child support inequities often begin with false accusations of domestic abuse/violence.

"Out of Order?", a year 2000 WCVB-TV (Boston) Chronicle video is an excellent description of this ongoing injustice against men.

8 posted on 07/21/2009 5:48:57 AM PDT by joeu01
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I tell this story a lot. Stop me if you’re heard it before.

Years ago when Cabbage Pattch dolls were all the rage, I was working with this woman (divorced, two children) who was always complaining about money. Her favorite complaint was about her ex-husband who she said did not pay enough child support. She was constantly dragging the poor guy into court for more money.

So right before Christmas, this woman who was so broke and poor announced that she had bought a Cabbage Patch doll for her daughter. big mouth that I am, I asked her how, if she was so broke and poor and not getting enough child support, could afford to buy her daughter this doll. If I remember right, those dolls cost about $100 or $200. Of course, this woman became all huffy. She told me that I wouldn’t understand because I didn’t have children, and that when you have children, you spend whatever you have to in order to ensure their happiness.

I informed this woman that while I didn’t have children, I do know how I was raised. Basically, my partents provided food, clothing and shelter. If there was anything left over, it was put into savings accounts for our higher education. Anything else that might be left over after that would go for luxuries, such as toys. If we kids wanted some toy, and my parents didn’t have the money,
we did not get that toy.

From then on, every time she whined about her ex-husband, I just tuned her out or walked away.


9 posted on 07/21/2009 5:49:41 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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Since I am going through a divorce, I am well aware of these stories. Nothing this extreme has happened to me, yet. However the assumption made by the Court, before even one hearing is always that the child will stay with the mother, and that the father is a deadbeat who isn’t going to pay. I feel good about how I’m going to be treated when that is the starting point.


11 posted on 07/21/2009 5:57:09 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Kaslin

maybe marrying a good girl and otherwise keeping it in your pants isn’t such a bad idea after all.


17 posted on 07/21/2009 6:41:43 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (WWFUAMLD?)
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To: Kaslin

I have hope that when gay marriage is the law of the land the resulting confusion in the courts, caused by the lack of gender bias, will effect a change in, or better the abolishment of Family Courts.


24 posted on 07/21/2009 7:57:58 AM PDT by captwgn
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To: Kaslin

Jerry Reed had a song called “She got the gold mine, I got the shaft”. Ex husbands are cash cows.


27 posted on 07/21/2009 9:08:13 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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Hatley's case isn't the worst example. At any rate he had an affair with the mother and initially thought it was his kid (presumably not realizing that she was two-timing him). Other men have been named as fathers by women they never even met, and been forced to pay child support.

Phyllis Schafley had a column a couple of years ago about a more outrageous case, where a man in Michigan whose wife (pregnant by her boyfriend) falsely accused him of marital rape and of child abuse. There was no evidence beyond her say-so. Because of the latter accusation his funds were frozen so he couldn't pay for a lawyer, but because in theory he had money, he didn't get a court-appointed lawyer, so his constitutional right to the assistance of counsel was violated. The prosecutor was running for election and was determined to have him found guilty to please the feminists. The guy was found guilty but couldn't appeal the conviction because he had no money. I don't know if he is still in prison or if he finally got help after Schlafley's column publicizing his case.

29 posted on 07/21/2009 9:47:29 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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