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Montana gov blasts GM mine contract cancellation (Obama closes US mines in Montana)
Business Week ^ | 7/10/09 | Matt Brown

Posted on 07/10/2009 11:03:57 PM PDT by pissant

Gov. Brian Schweitzer is calling on the Obama administration to force General Motors to honor its contract with a Montana mining company instead of going overseas to buy the precious metals used to control vehicle pollution.

By failing to shield the platinum and palladium mines, the Democrat said Friday that the administration had shown a bias against his state -- at a time when other U.S. jobs were protected with a "buy American" clause in the $787 billion stimulus act. GM is shedding its contracts with Stillwater Mining Co.'s platinum and palladium mines as part of the automaker's emergence from bankruptcy protection.....

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Columbus-based Stillwater employs more than 1,300 people and runs the only mines in the United States producing the metals, about 90 miles southwest of Billings.

With platinum and palladium mined in just two other countries, Russia and South Africa, Schweitzer said GM's cancellation would put the U.S. at a strategic risk and hurt the mining industry.

A White House spokesman declined comment.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessweek.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; agenda; bho44; democrats; economy; generalmotors; larrysinclairslover; mining; obama
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To: pissant

I’ve been hearing a fair number of talk radio callers defending the economy, saying that people don’t have jobs because the jobs were sent overseas by Bush/Republicans/conservatives/you people/fill in the blank.

Hope talk radio has this article handy for reference.


121 posted on 07/11/2009 7:43:43 PM PDT by JavaJumpy (Go get 'em, Sarah! http://www.howobamagotelected.com)
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To: eyedigress

It was really close. Many many counties went to zero, mine did


122 posted on 07/11/2009 7:53:49 PM PDT by Lucian (I am, therefore, I'll think)
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To: Theodore R.

True burns was a rare exception. However he had a lot of backers. The man single handedly kept Malmstrom open, and for that the people up in Great Falls love him.


123 posted on 07/11/2009 7:57:53 PM PDT by Lucian (I am, therefore, I'll think)
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To: null and void; Paleo Conservative

I recall, nearly 2 decades ago, pointing out how South Africa was forced to change when Russia opened up to us as a source for these and other metals. Economic geology has geopolitical effects, no pun intended.


124 posted on 07/11/2009 8:03:25 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

How do you get a geologist or miner out of a tree?

Cut the rope.


125 posted on 07/11/2009 8:06:56 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: montanajoe

Funny how FReepers complain about anti-market policies, yet complain when 0bama lets the market run its course instead of using interventionist mandate, isn’t it?


126 posted on 07/11/2009 8:11:16 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Pudding Biafra

I think few Americans realize how much has been sold off to maintain a facade of “prosperity” over the past couple of decades.


127 posted on 07/11/2009 8:15:26 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TigersEye

Look this up folks....Cloward-Piven.http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

Nails it! We have work to do, although it may be way too late.


128 posted on 07/11/2009 8:35:01 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: pissant
why are Montanians electing rats?...their party is antigun, anti freedom, anti hunting, anti America...

this pissant governor can't hide his rat allegiance by criticizing bama.....their made all from one hide...

129 posted on 07/11/2009 9:06:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 21twelve

Excellent analysis. In fact, we are in a counter revolution that started with Reagan and took out the mother ship (Thatcher and Kohl were a big part of the effort, as was John Paul II). We’ve suffered a setback but, as usual, the Libs are pushing too fast and too far. The momentum is shifting back to the Right but the war is not over. G-d allowed Liberalism to spring forth in the 1800s and we are still fighting the fight today. Some say this is the beginning of the End Times. With millions dead from Communist and Nazi dictators, they may be right.


130 posted on 07/11/2009 9:08:39 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Gondring
Yep. Real knee slapper. Montana has two Dem Senators and a Dem governor. They got what they voted for. No help in the Senate and the Governor isn't going to buck the Party because that's where his $$$ comes from. You elect ‘em, you own ‘em...
131 posted on 07/11/2009 9:11:30 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: TigersEye

I posted this the other day on a similar thread, when someone stated that Obama was trying to destroy the country.

I agreed, and here is one of the reasons why:

Joseph McCarthy gave a speech on the Senate floor in 1951, and later wrote a book that expounded on and backed up his points that he made on the floor, called “America’s Retreat from Victory”.

Like many people, I was unwilling to attach any negative aspirations or actions to someone who was hailed as a war hero and one of the greatest men of the 20th century.

McCarthy was not so shy, and was willing not only to say what he thought publicly, but to back it up with documentation, which he did in his book mentioned above (A copy of which I purchased a couple of years ago)

It is a stunning book, but how it relates to this subject here is this: In his analysis, Joseph McCarthy made the point that if some of the things that were done by Marshall that helped the communists were simply the result of a poor analysis or choice on his part, someone with his intellect would be likely to choose correctly at least SOME of the time, as a matter of averages. And that never happened. Without fail, nearly every choice and action in which Marshall was part of, they all were to the advantage of the communists.

The same can be said of Obama, in my estimation. If some of his actions were due to his stupidity or inexperience, at least some of his actions would be helpful.

None are. And that tells me something.


132 posted on 07/11/2009 9:29:54 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: rlmorel

Exactly! Well covered.


133 posted on 07/11/2009 10:25:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Willie Green
" I think that we'll be better off in the long run by sitting on our supply and using up the Russian and South African deposits first. Then when those begin to peter out, we'll still have plenty of our own left.

yeah, that's what 0bama is thinking. /sarc

0bama is screwing the USA with EVERY decision.

Every one.

134 posted on 07/11/2009 10:51:57 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: element92
we already have the infrastructure in place for recharging electric cars, especially at night.

Ahem, what are we going to burn to produce the electricity required to charge those cars?

Seriously. What?

135 posted on 07/11/2009 10:54:28 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: conservative cat

I think that was coal.


136 posted on 07/11/2009 11:25:28 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: pissant

Russian owned mines. Get them back in American hands, perhaps they will be reopened.


137 posted on 07/11/2009 11:35:47 PM PDT by jaxon72
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To: GreyMountainReagan

Seriously. What?
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coal, my favorite fuel


138 posted on 07/12/2009 12:32:56 AM PDT by element92
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To: element92

Nighttime load is more like 60% of what is spinning, not 20%.

Here are a couple of typical load profiles found online.
http://esm.versar.com/pprp/factbook/stateneed.htm
http://www.dpe.gov.za/images/Eskom_4.gif

Many power-intensive industries actually ramp up operations at night to take advantage of lower power costs. This tends to flatten the demand curve.

The other big fallacy is that there is no easy way, in most utilities, to ensure charging only happens at night during off-peak times. This is a HUGE issue for utilities. When you start affecting system peaks, even just a little, there is an enormously expensive capital cost for additional generation, transmission, and distribution.

This would have to be overcome for your scenario to be workable.

It’s also worth mentioning that an EV that runs at your level of power consumption is a much less capable vehicle than what most people are used to currently, especially in this country. So there would be a huge acceptance issue, and/or the power requirements would go up dramatically, perhaps as much as 2X.

Like most things, the devil is in the details. I’m not saying it’s not do-able, but it’s not as easy a thing as you seem to be assuming.


139 posted on 07/12/2009 12:35:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: FreedomPoster

60% of spinning, so what, they turned stuff off.

your numbers are either a fraud, or a special case.
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US capacity is one million megawatts.
2006 output was 4,064,702 thousand megawatt-hours
there are 8760 hours in a year.
do the math, yearly average load factor is less than 50 percent

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table1_1.html


140 posted on 07/12/2009 12:50:06 AM PDT by element92
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