Posted on 07/07/2009 10:04:17 PM PDT by Maelstorm
It's different.
BTW, anytime you have a 40% report on a topic like this that's some pretty serious stuff.
None of it is heterosexual.
This report involves only people who have been convicted of assault against children. Maybe the data is different for comparably situatws people who have not yet been caught and convicted. BTW, it also involved a male population ~ no females in this at all.
It's a matter of the odds. Since gay men molest at 15 times to rate of straight men, you are reducing the odds greatly by eliminating them from your child's exposure. Do you mean married men who are closeted gays? Or married men who molest girls?
Those aren’t the statistics cited in the article. The study started with a pool of gay men and determined how many were molested as children. You are quoting the pool of molested children and looking at the source of the molestation. As other posters have pointed out, the resultant sexual behaviour of molested children can run to both extremes....
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(I know other women who were molested who instead became very promiscuous heterosexuals.)
Most of the Porn industry’s stars were molested as children.
Listening to Howard Stern, one of the 1st questions he asks porn stars is “were you molested??”.
Nearly all answer yes...
Bump
As I understand it a lot of rape victims (female) either become lesbians or very promiscuous, even becoming prostitutes.
Funny. I was thinking the same thing but wouldn’t composed such a funny response.
For a man to desire another man in that way is so odd, it would take a traumatic realignment. There’s no other way a guy could be attracted to a guy.
How do you explain the certain percentage of gay men who come from a large family, are like a middle a child and as far as all the other family members can remember from 2 years old till 18 were just “Naturally Nelly”????
I am not saying there is a number of GLBT folks who are sexually Di-Orientated. But there is a number of gay folk who are just naturally Nelly.
I grew up with some kids that could be described “Naturally Nelly” who came from big families in which everyone else was Straight as an Arrow, but they were “Fabulous” from K-12 or as long as I knew them. When those people came out it is like “Well, gee, everyone already knows you are as queer as a three dollar bill so who cares...”.
The definition of childhood sexual abuse used here is peculiar enough to warrant suspicion. Note that it includes consensual sexual contact between a 17 year old and a 27 year old, regardless of the genders of the participants. I don’t think that’s particularly rare in society as a whole — it’s not even illegal in most states, and I don’t know of any state that would prosecute it without an aggravating circumstance (e.g. the 27 year old was the 17 year old’s teacher, or the 17 year old was mentally retarded).
Without a control group showing what percent of heterosexual males fall under this definition of childhood sexual abuse, pointing out that 40% of homosexual men fall under it doesn’t provide any information. It may well be higher for homosexual men, but until you have a control group AND break down the “abuse” by ages, and by whether or not it was voluntary, and by the genders of the parties, it’s absolutely totally meaningless to support a claim or speculation that there’s a causative effect. If a large percentage of these boys/young men already self-identified as homosexual before the first “abuse” occurred, what this may be showing is that teenage homosexual boys are very horny and don’t have trouble finding homosexual men in their late 20s to have some fun with (and may be lying about their ages, using fake IDs to get into gay bars and meet older men, etc).
I would explain a “naturally Nelly” the same way I would explain a problem/criminal child or mentally ill kid coming from a normal or “good” family. Some kids are just born with a predisposition towards mental illness or emotional problems and it can manifest itself in any number of ways from criminal actions, homosexuality, emotional issues, acting out, etc.
>> I would explain a “naturally Nelly” the same way I would explain a problem/criminal child or mentally ill kid coming from a normal or “good” family. Some kids are just born with a predisposition towards mental illness or emotional problems and it can manifest itself in any number of ways from criminal actions, homosexuality, emotional issues, acting out, etc. <<
Then how should we deal with the “Naturally Nelly” type folks then?
Does sexual trauma cause women to grow up to look like men? It's hard to believe anyone would molest a bull dyke, they are too scary, although I suppose anything’s possible.
I also was mystified by their compulsion (some of them) to dress up like women.
I had led a very sheltered life and this was all such a shock to me. I couldn’t understand why if they were supposedly not attracted to women, why they did that, acted like women.
” At least with single gays you know to watch for them. Married men who molest are the worst!!!!!”
Do single men molest more often than married men? It seems that the opposite would be true. And why are married men that molest worse than single men who molest? I would think both would be equally bad.
I'd take up that problem with the state. Besides, that might have simply been the LAST occasion in a long string of events extended back into the younger party's infancy.
Yes you are right and perhaps I did not make my point very well. What I meant is that at least there is control in hiring single men. You just don’t have too which will cut down on single men molesting...However hiring married men is overall a safer investment, but if they end up molesting than I think they are the worst because the use marriage to make themself seem “safe”....Of course both single and married men who molest are awful.
Homosexuality is a mental illness folks, it has varying degrees and manifestations, but its a mental illness. The overwhelming majority of gay men I have met in my life have at least one of the 3 things in their background.
Sexually Abused or Molested, particularly at a young age.
Rediculously Overbearing mothers.
No or very poor relationships with their fathers.
Now, I am not saying that everyone who has had one or more of these things happen to them will end up gay, but there is no doubt that these events are insanely common in the background of gay men. Its an illness folks, not a lifestyle or a genetic defect. Homosexuality is a mental illness.. no one would remotely suggest a nymphomaniac was born a nymphomaniac, its a well known and accepted mental illness, yet homosexuality which has never had one study done disprove its a mental illness and in fact most show it is, is not in the DSM any longer for political reasons.
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