Papal Message Seeks "Global Authority" for Economy

Reuters ^ | July 7, 2009 | Phillip Pullella

[TheRiverNile]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.

Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketeers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.

The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.

Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“I do hate what God hates . . .e.g. idolatry . . .”

We destroyed the idols of the ancient world and have no idols.

“deception . . .”

Our catechism is published and easily found. No deception.

“hero worship . . .”

We love our heros - and God loves them too, but no one woships them. Maybe you should talk to the Calvinists who have been posting articles every day about Calvin’s birthday?

“putting things other than God first.”

God is always first with us. Every Mass, for instance, is dedicaed to Him.

“SUBSTITUTING RITUAL, SHAM AND PRETENSE for RELATIONSHIP.”

We have rituals but they strengthen our relationship with God just as weddng anniversaries strengthen marriages. We have no shams and and no pretense. We are not johnny-come-lately Protestants who presume to dismiss all before them and even to cut books from th Bible while, ironically, claiming sola scriptura is valid.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“Though it is comforting to notice such a seeming inability to respond meaningfully to the points posted.”

I claim no ability to make conclusions about the use of a principle within a framework that does not exist. That in itself is a meaningful response. Notice, no anti-Catholic Protestant here has had the acumen to even suggest what that framework would be in anything approaching concrete terms yet several have insisted that I discuss the use of a principle within it. Hypocrites is too modest a word to describe them.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“I thought the Vatican, Roman Catholocism”

I am neither the Vatican nor “Roman Catholicism”. I am Catholic.

“had been able to wrap it’s mind around the hypothetical centuries ago.”

If you believe that, then shouldn’t you be talking to the Vatican?

“Oh, right . . . that would get into a logical defense of the assertions . . . admittedly a MOST difficult challenge.”

Again, how would you know unless you ask the Vatican?

“The above is a much wiser escape hatch, no doubt.”

An escape? Again, I’m neither the Vatican nor “Roman Catholicism.” I am Catholic.

You’re doing a lot of whining about something you’re not even talking to. If you want to talk to the Vatican do so.

[Diamond]

The pope is not naive. The “naivete” is [your] assumption that the pope - who has long worked in a bureaucracy - does not understand the pitfalls of bureaucracy.

If the pope is not naive and understand the 'pitfalls' of bureaucracy, why then does he want more of it?

And that was never a redistribution of wealth to the poor of Russia. They were the ones robbed of land (that’s wealth!) in the first place!

Uh, like socialists have not always operated that way?

Cordially,

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“If the pope is not naive and understand the ‘pitfalls’ of bureaucracy, why then does he want more of it?”

He doesn’t. Where does he call for more bureaucracy? Nowhere. The problem is that there are always downsides to almost any idea - even really good ones. And one downside to what the pope has discussed may be more bureaucracy. That’s exactly why the pope is also stressing the need for subsidiarity. Subsidiarity cuts down on bureaucracy or at least some of the worst aspects of it.

“Uh, like socialists have not always operated that way?”

I have never disputed how socialists and communists act. Your mistake was what you said not how I characterized how socialists work.

[Diamond]

Notice, no anti-Catholic Protestant here has had the acumen to even suggest what that framework would be in anything approaching concrete terms

Since you and the Pope are the ones bringing foward the principle of subsidiarity presumably as a bulwark against tyranny, why is the burden of proof suddenly on others to somehow have the acumen to specify what that framework would be in anything approaching concrete terms?

Cordially,

[Quix]

Sounds nice and slick.

It won't wash.

I'm not doubting, per se, . . . at least not wholesale . . . the Pope's heart motives.

However, He's bright enough, connected enough, educated enough to know . . . that:

Editorial by John-Henry Westen

The Pope actually speaks directly against a one-world government, and, as would be expected from those who have read his previous writings, calls for massive reform of the United Nations. . . .

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. . . Yes, out of one side of his fingers.

He, as XXIII before him, full well knows the global power reaches of the ruling oligarchy.

A) Is he denying what he knows of their power?
B) Is he pretending it's not true?
C) Is he pretending their long documented goals and means are not true?
D) Is he vainly pretending he will lead an alternative global power/government?
E) Is he pretending that the global oligarchy long in control under the table is NOT on the brink of bringing that control overtly onto the world stage in an obvious and public organized world government?
F) Is he pretending that these tyrants far worse than Hitler are going to play nice just because he asks them to?

G) Is he really that clueless?
H) Or, is he, perhaps worse, somehow deceptively complicit . . . talking cleverly out of both sides of his fingers in order to--in true Neuro Linguistic Programming fashion seduce folks into swallowing the bitter pill unawares?

I don't really know--but the evidence is super troubling.

The key quote which has led to the charge reads: “To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago.”

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????HELLO????
DO THOSE WORDS
?MEAN ANYTHING?

Or are they just an excuse to use ink and paper with absolutely no intellectual content or purpose?

IF they mean something [apart from the usual Vatican rubber dictionary with it's infinitely malleable daffynitions],

Then we must conclude that we are to take those words more or less at face value.

GIVEN THAT--

This Pope above all others MUST KNOW the ruling oligarchy's positions, plans, schemes, methods on all those items.

IF he does not know, then he or his staff are unbelievably ignorant, incompetent or deluded.

IF he does know, THEN he HAS to KNOW that the ruling oligarchy will do ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS THEY HAVE LONG DELCARED THEY WILL DO: ACCORDING TO THEIR TYRANNICAL, RUTHLESS, DEPOPULATING ETC. GOALS, METHODS, SCHEMES FROM HELL. . . . (and as SCRIPTURE has declared they will do).

He has to know that there's not a blessed thing he can do about it to prevent their doing exactly as they have long declared AND HAVE INCREASINGLY MOLDED THE WORLD TOWARD.

It's sort of like . . . say . . . Mother Theresa standing in Austria or Czechoslovakian prior to Hitler's conquest . . . demanding in front of the onrushing German troops that they must be polite, give flowers to women and children and kiss all the babies--thereby producing a Papally sanctioned --revised kosher UN tyranny and string of properly 'righteous' death camps.

However, in paragraph 41, the Holy Father specifically differentiates his concept of a world political authority from that of a one-world government. “We must,” he says “promote a dispersed political authority.” He explains that “The integrated economy of the present day does not make the role of States redundant, but rather it commits governments to greater collaboration with one another. Both wisdom and prudence suggest not being too precipitous in declaring the demise of the State. In terms of the resolution of the current crisis, the State’s role seems destined to grow, as it regains many of its competences. In some nations, moreover, the construction or reconstruction of the State remains a key factor in their development.”

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AHHHHHHHHH What sweet pontifications. I'm sure the globalist satan worshippers are impressed. They must be abandoning their tyrannical schemes in droves this very moment. /sar

Is he really that clueless? Does he REALLY BELIEVE that the ruling global oligarchy are going to REVISE their decades long almost totally achieved plans according to HIS PRESCRIPTION?

Or is he lobbying for some fine tuning along the way according to his sensibilities. . . . Perhaps using the Papal colors on the death trains? Or maybe insuring that there's proper blessings over the mass graves? Or maybe he hopes to get a globalist guarantee that plastic rosaries would hang around the necks of all the victims?

He must think his nice words will have miraculous powers at the globalilst's next planning meeting.

Later in the encyclical (57) he speaks of the opposite concept to one- world government -subsidiarity (the principle of Catholic social teaching which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority) - as being essential. “In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity,” says the Pope.

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Oh, it's a nice, sweet little concept . . . in some respects. Local school boards are a LOT better than mandated Communism/global tyranny from WASH DC etc.

However, the globalists have already planned to implement their own version of it. Local policemen are reportedly scheduled to have arrest/prosecute/jury/judge and executioner functions all rolled into one. When a policeman finds anyone violating any law--shoot them dead on the spot. That's reducing a LOT of bureaucracy down very low on the totem pole. I'm sure the ruling oligarchy are quite flattered that the Pope supports their plans in terms of "subsidiarity."

Otherwise, the Pope's suggestions re "subsidiarity" are worth less than used toilet paper to the oligarchy. I doubt they'd give such writings the bother of a derisive 'snort.'

Another of the key quotes which is being extracted for shock value from the encyclical is this: “In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth.”

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Wellllllllllll yet again, the globalist oligarchy and the Pope may be playing from the same script. The 'reform' of the UN is already scheduled. It will become much more:
--stream-lined;
--tax global citizens;
--be backed up by a very tyrannical global enforcement gestapo;
--work very hard at depopulating the world down to 200 million (by engineered plagues, scheduled famines, wars . . .);
--MARK OF THE BEAST chip implant ID's
. . .
. . .

Oh, the good Pope doesn't agree with ALL THOSE UN 'reforms.' No matter. The globalists will gleefully ignore him wherever it suits them. Is he REALLY so clueless as to believe they will not ignore him where it suits them?

Since long before his papacy, Joseph Ratzinger has vigorously fought the United Nations’ vision of a ‘New World Order’. As early as 1997, and repeated subsequently, Ratzinger took public aim at such a vision, noting that the philosophy coming from UN conferences and the Millennium Summit “proposes strategies to reduce the number of guests at the table of humanity, so that the presumed happiness [we] have attained will not be affected.”

“At the base of this New World Order”, he said is the ideology of “women’s empowerment,” which erroneously sees “the principal obstacles to [a woman’s] fulfillment [as] the family and maternity.” The then-cardinal advised that “at this stage of the development of the new image of the new world, Christians - and not just them but in any case they even more than others - have the duty to protest.”

Benedict XVI in fact repeats those criticisms in the new encyclical. In Caritas in Veritate, the Pope slams “practices of demographic control, on the part of governments that often promote contraception and even go so far as to impose abortion.” He also denounces international economic bodies such as the IMF and World Bank (without specifically naming them) for their lending practices which tie aid to so-called ‘family planning.’ “There is reason to suspect that development aid is sometimes linked to specific health-care policies which de facto involve the imposition of strong birth control measures,” says the encyclical.

Any vision of a proper ordering of the world, of international economics or political cooperation, suggests the Pope, must be based on a “moral order.” That includes first and foremost “the fundamental right to life” from conception to natural death, the recognition of the family based on marriage between one man and one woman as the basis of society and freedom for faith and cooperation among all peoples based on principles of natural law.

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WHAT WONDERFUL . . . .

--hollow--
--useless--
--words--

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I'm sure that these ruling elites [who are rumored to have to brutally, literally blood sacrifice one of their own children or at least bugger a little boy as an initiation rite] . . .

I'm sure these nice gentlemen are abandoning their 100+ years of plans and achievements this very moment just because the good Pope asks them to. /sar

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, dogs and cats . . . this great logic is brought to you by the same folks who think that the Vatican is the definer of Christianity and that Prottys are illogical!

GTTM (Guffaws To The Max).

Sigh.

THANKFULLY, GOD IS STILL ON THE THRONE. He has the globalists' demise all planned out to the nth degree.

I suppose it's not greatly harmful to some awake folks if the Pope pontificates delusionally. However, if he really is using paradoxical speak-out-of-both-sides-of-his-fingers schemes to seduce the walking dead and willfully blind into submitting more to the globalist schemes . . . then that's a bit more serious.

[wmfights]

If the pope is not naive and understand the 'pitfalls' of bureaucracy, why then does he want more of it?

Thanks for the ping. Great question.

It's ironic, where the socialism that the RCC desires has occurred church attendance has declined and birth rates have fallen dramatically.

[Quix]

INDEED.

THX.

[Quix]

Perhaps we need to be more compassionate toward those with . . . uhhhh

rubber dictionary daffynition compromised vocabularies.

Some just do NOT realize that

DISAGREEMENT is NOT equal to hate.

God alone knows how many other concepts and definitions are mangled by their daffynitions.

[Quix]

Where do I use . . . insults

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Do you read your own posts?

LOL.

[Quix]

I don’t know of a single Protty on FR

who opposes

God or

His Church.

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It’s just that we are not responsible for

Vatican Roman Catholic delusions and mangling of history and Biblical facts.

[Quix]

I think I’ll take God’s perspective on that over yours.

Last I checked, He happens to out-rank you.

[Quix]

EXCELLENT POINTS . . .

SUCH AS YOU PERSISTENTLY MAKE.

THX.

[Quix]

INDEED.

THX.

[DoorGunner]

>> “The Church has a much different understanding of EVERYTHING than the secular world’s.”

OK. But, unless the Pope means (in this encyclical) that the posited “World Authority” will be under his authority, it will be “secular,” and have a “secular” world view.

Can you think of ANY reason that any “World Authority” would follow any moral or religious principle?

For instance, Obama’s administration is, in theory, required to follow the US Constitution, but they ignore it unless it happens to suit their current whim.

DG

[nmh]

The Pope is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

States he wants a one world order, then goes to great pains to use RELIGION for his basis. He can't be that naive to believe that man will not become tyrannical in implementing a one world order to accomplish his “religious” goals. This is twisted Christianity. Perhaps this is the Pope that will get the ball rolling to the demise of the world?

[wmfights]

Boy I tell ya, the whole idea of a global authority with the power to enforce it’s will sends shivers down my spine. I’m surprised anybody at FR would defend the idea.

[DoorGunner]

>> “What is the Scriptural evidence for subsidiarity?”
ow.
I really do not know. Maybe Matthew 7:12?

DG

[nmh]

I hope more than ever that He comes soon to take His own home. Let them have their contrived “social justice” on this earth. Let them be punished with the consequences of it too. I'm tired of being punished for the unBiblical actions of folks with the mindset of the Pope - using “religion” is a twisted way.