[SeeSharp]

When the Ukrainians sought protection from the Tsar they expected a European style feudal arrangement, but when they showed up to exchange oaths they found the Tsar had sent a priest to hear their oaths instead of coming himself. When they asked about the Tsar’s oath to them the priest told them a Tsar does not swear oaths to his subjects.

[muawiyah]

To discover the significance of this a Swedish timeline is in order: http://www.risberg.ws/Hypertextbooks/Economics/History/Swedish/Timeline.htm

[PzLdr]

Charles XII. The pre- Napoleon Napoleon.

[yldstrk]

yeah well I am commemorating Stalin’s death and Marx’ death and USSR’s fall and Hussein’s death and Lenin’s death and Hitler’s death and Judas’ death and Henry the 8th’s death...

[Freelance Warrior]

"Ivan Mazepa is not a traitor since he did not betray the Ukrainian people," Yushchenko said. "He had only one goal: to preserve the independence of the Ukrainian state."

He sworn his loyalty to Peter I as a subject and a military commander. Since he broke the oath he was a traitor. Using Yuschenko's logic Judas wasn't a traitor since he didn't betray the Ukrainian people.

[Freelance Warrior]

"He had only one goal: to preserve the independence of the Ukrainian state."

One can preserve only something existant. At that time there was no independent Ukraine. The territory we call the Ukraine now was a province of Rzech Pospolita.

[WesternCulture]

“beginning of Russian imperial dominance of eastern Europe”

- I don't hate Russians, but seriously, what part of Western/Central Europe has Russia ever managed to dominate?

Russia has never been a culture fit enough to found a genuine empire.

To begin with; In 1795, Russia was punished hard for Poltava.

From Wikipedia:

“The second battle of Svensksund is the biggest naval battle ever fought in the Baltic sea: 500 ships (including supply ships and other ships not involved in combat), close to 30,000 men and several thousand cannons. In Svensksund, the Swedes boasted to have destroyed 40 percent of the Russian coastal fleet. It is even considered one of the largest naval battles in history in terms of the number of vessels involved. Only the Battle of Leyte Gulf has involved a larger number of vessels (if sources from the Classical Era regarding the Battle of Salamis and Battle of Ecnomus are disregarded).”

Russia's Baltic naval forces were (more or less) annihilated, ridiculed and humiliated by us Swedes under Gustavus III.

Yes, it's also true that Russia took Finland in 1809 (aided by certain Finnish opportunists among the Finnish upper class of those days), but all the same Russia got its *ss thoroughly beaten in Finnish Winter War(s) a lot of people would say.

[SunkenCiv]

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