I heard Mark Davis discuss this amazing and interesting coincidence and thought I'd post it for your Trivia Information and fun! :)
Sort of an early post in anticipation of the upcoming Independence Day celebration this coming Saturday.
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And wishing y’all a(n early) VERY VERY Happy Independence Day!
When we visited the Madison Estate just 45 minutes north of Monticello (Jefferson’s home) on the tour they mentioned that Madison’s doctors told him he could be kept alive until the 4th of July if he wanted to die on that day. He died June 28, 1836...
We’ll never see great men like our founding fathers again-our country is too full of self-obsessed narcissists and our people have turned their backs on the One True God and Lord who gave us this great country and its principles. We are NO LONGER “One Nation Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”...
And the American idea that they so carefully constructed breathed its last on Nov 4, 2009.
What it meant to Adams and Jefferson to live to see another 4th of July had to be truly something.
Today, we just take the 4th of July for granted. With 0 in office, it could be eliminated to celebrate his Azzness day.
Thank you!
My sweetie is a schoolteacher (Southside Chicago) private Catholic school.
I’m always alert for really cool trivia so he can impress his students. Teachers these days have to be part-entertainers, you know?
I already sent this to his INBOX!
:)
That’s always been my favorite political coincidence — though, as you point out, maybe it wasn’t pure happenstance; one or both may well of delayed his death until that day by pure force of will.
Another great American died on Independence Day: Senator Jesse Helms (October 18, 1921 — July 4, 2008).
You said — I heard Mark Davis discuss this amazing and interesting coincidence and thought I’d post it for your Trivia Information and fun! :)
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And they were both writing to one another...
The two actually were friends during the Revolution, started to drift apart in Washington’s terms, then became bitter enemies from about 1796-1810, then slowly began to reconcile and write each other.
great show. Set the DVR if your going to out watching fireworks, (unless they're to be banned due to globust warbling!P
This is a remarkable fact. One of the neat, if lesser known things about the founders. Of course NEA members are more concerned today with teaching the proper method of putting a condom on a cucumber than enlightening students about the great men who helped create this nation.
I had not known that they reconciled. I always thought that Adams’ last words were “...and yet Jefferson survives.”
Live and learn.
I have mentioned this several times. Was providence at hand or what, when the voice and the pen of the declaration died on the day of the glorious celebration of the 50th year of that hallowed document. Thanks for posting and God rest their souls. Let us give thanks that men like these two lived.
There was a funny question used in the game Trivial Pursuit, some years ago, which asked “How many US Presidents are not buried in the United States?”
The most common wrong guesses were “George S. Patton”, followed by “George Kennedy”, the actor.
The correct response, now at least, would be five. Carter, H.W. Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama.
They had been enemies for years but I read somewhere they reconciled before they died, hope so.
I carry a small US Constitution booklet in my Day Planner and that fact is listed in the “Facts about the Founders” section.
This concidence resonated strongly in the nation at the time. For those who have not seen the miniseries, “John Adams,” I recommend it. The actors who played Adams and Jefferson bring vividly to life the two men. I commend especially the actor who played Jefferson, capturing his shyness. A great writer and conversationist, but a hesitant orator. It is said that and his inauguration he spoke so softly that he could only beheld by those in the front rows.
During the Adams Administration, the two differed on almost every issue...
Including the payment of tribute to the Barbary pirates.
...and Jefferson defeated Adams and took the Presidency in 1800.
And then Jefferson beefed up the Navy and sent the Marines to trounce the Islamic pirate states in the first Barbary war.
In 1786 he had heard firsthand from Tripoli's ambassador that
"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."
Thankfully it stuck with him so that 15 yrs later he was prepared to act. I wonder what he'd say today about today's Islam (which still practices the above) and the West's passive reaction to it.
Even though I already knew this, Thank You so much for posting it!
It's all about the remembering, you know just like The Alamo, Pearl Harbor, The 4th of July...
It gets my emotions in an uproar, and this year I have to try and force myself into celebrating freedom on the heels of a disastrous 0bamonation.
While I celebrate the birth of the greatest nation on Earth, my heart weeps with anxiety for her future.
Come on America, let's show our spirit and resolve, and that we truly do still have our sense of right & wrong.
If I were truly religious (which I think I am, more-so than I know) I might pray something like this:
Almighty God, please guide us along the path of righteousness,
let us gather our strength from one another,
encourage each other,
unite with one another,
and be wise enough to travel the right course.
Let us also heed and take comfort in the signs you send us, because as our ultimate leader,
you show us the way.
Amen
I love this sort of trivia. I live about an hour & half from Speigel Grove... Rutherford B Hayes museum, home etc. Last time there a few weeks ago I picked up a few books & several of them had tidbits like this. One was on the first ladies.. ending with Laura (whew).. that was really fascinating.
Have a great day Meek.. gotta run now..as usual running late
I bet at sometime in their lives, President Grant and Farce Lady Obama had a fifth on the fourth.