New from Polarick: The Birth Certificate Question

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[Vendome]

Seriously?  We are confused.  I have both forms for my own identification.  The long form is the only valid one The State Department will accept to process and approve your passport.  They don't mess around either. 

Forget to fill out a line- Denied. 

Provide less than adequate identification-Denied

 

Okay, maybe you are new to this topic and have not seen my previous post regarding this

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

 

How to Apply for the First Time (In Person)

YOU MUST APPLY IN PERSON IF:

• You are applying for your first U.S. passport or
• You are under age 16 or
• Your previous U.S. passport was issued when you were under age 16 or
• Your previous U.S. passport was lost, stolen, or damaged or
  
• Your previous U.S. passport was issued more than 15 years ago or
• Your name has changed since your U.S. passport was issued and you are unable to legally document your name change

Before You Start, Please Note:

• Special Requirements for All Minors Under Age 16
• Special Requirements for All Minors Ages 16 & 17
• Special Requirements for Diplomatic, Official, & Regular No-Fee Passports
  

STEPS TO SUBMITTING A U.S. PASSPORT APPLICATION IN PERSON:

Read and understand Steps 1-5 before leaving this page.

STEP 1: Complete and Submit Form DS-11: Application For A U.S. Passport

Complete Form DS-11: Application for a U.S. Passport. To submit Form DS-11, you:

• Must apply in person at an Acceptance Facility or Passport Agency
• Must include the additional documentation required by Form DS-11 (See Steps 2-5)
• Must not sign the application until instructed to do so by the Acceptance Agent
• Must provide your Social Security number

STEP 2: Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
 Naturalization Certificate
 Certificate of Citizenship

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

NOTE: If you do not have primary evidence of U.S. citizenship or your U.S. birth certificate does not meet the requirements, please see Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship.

STEP 3: Present Identification  

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, acceptable identification must be presented at the time of application.

Primary Identification (One of the following):

 Previously issued, undamaged U.S. passport
 Naturalization Certificate
 Valid Driver's License
 Current Government ID (city, state or federal)
 Current Military ID (military and dependents)

NOTE: If you do not have primary identification, please see Secondary Identification.

[El Gato]

Stanley Ann Dunham found herself in Kenya at the very end of her pregnancy when it was so far advanced that she could not be allowed on a plane for fear of giving birth in flight; hence, she bore little Bozo in Kenya. Wanting him to be an American citizen, and probably being informed that, since she was only 18, she could not convey citizenship to him, she and her baby got on a plane back to Hawaii as soon as possible so she could make him a fraudulent natural born citizen. When she got back she may have registered his birth, possibly using the Kenyan birth certifiace, and published the birth notice in the local newspaper, stating he was born in Hawaii. Neither she or he ever probably tired to get him naturalized because the law did not allow it due to her being 18 when he was born.

You are so confused. First of all, Stanley Ann was not old enough to transfer citizenship to her child, but that only applies if he was born outside the US, and she was married to a non US citizen. That much we know, from the divorce records, she was married to BHO Sr, at the time Junior was allegedly born. However if he was born in Hawaii, as the forged Certification indicates, then he'd be a citizen, although perhaps not a natural born one, do to his father's nationality. Native born, but not natural born. But he could have been naturalized, regardless of where born or to whom. Having a US Citizen mother would make that not too difficult, but of course he would not then be eligible to the office of President. I doubt she would have cared much about him being natural born, but she might have cared about him being a citizen at all, which he would not be if born outside the US.

As far a theories go, I like Chief Engineer's much better, as it explains more facts. Her(?) theory is that he was born in a "home" in Canada, probably near or in Vancouver, because of reports of his presense in Seatle, while still "all pink" and before Stanley Ann had learned to change his nappies. Why in a "home". Well that was common in those days when a young girl found herself "with child", and especially, married or not, with a mixed race child. The theory is that she was to give up the child, divorce the father, and then attend the University of Washington, which she had wanted to do anyway, since most of her friends were in Washington, the family having moved to Hawaii not long before all this. All this as part a "deal" with her parents. It would have been easy to have a friend just drive her accross the border, no one would have checked a baby's papers in those days, and probably would not have even checked anyone's other than the driver's.

And in fact she did attend UofW, starting in mid September of 1961, about 6 weeks after giving birth and for an additional couple of terms, before returning to Hawaii to divorce BHO Sr, and finish her bachelors at UofH.

Now Stanley Ann giving birth in Northern Washington state fits all the facts too, but why hide that, or forge a COLB indicating a Hawaiian birth instead of a Washington state one?

[wtc911]

There is nothing in the WND (no good source to begin with) that states that there were any restrictions on travel to Pakistan in the eighties, which is what I commented on, so what's your point?

Either there is proof that he travelled as an Indonesian or there isn't. Have you seen any? Conjecture is not proof.

[El Gato]

It is my theory that Stanley Ann never made it back to Hawaii after her episode in Kenya

Chief Engineer's theory, which seems reasonable to me, is that she never went to Kenya, but rather had BHO in or near Vancouver, from where her Mercer Island friend(s) could then have driven her across the border to Washington State.

The reasons for "Vancouver" (or nearby) involve the "shame" of a mixed race baby, a shotgun marriage to BHO Sr, who would have been no US mother's or father's notion of good match for their daughter, even if he had been a Redneck from Oklahoma. Add a desire by Toots to have her give up the baby in Canada, where "mixed race" was not nearly so unusual or "negative" at that time. But then Stanley Ann reneged on the deal she'd made with her mother and kept the baby.

[El Gato]

Lightning (Lightnin’? — that’s a bad one)

That's what the unrelated "barak" means in Hebrew. It's what the Israeli Air Force calls their version of the F-16C/D.

[rodguy911]

wtc911 has been on the troll list for some time. So don't pay any attention to him and by all means don't feed the trolls.

[Vendome]

North Africans are considered Caucasion because they are part of the Moors. Those people can be whiter than me.

The reason they call Barry African on the Bogus Document is because he was born on the African continent, in Kenya.

On a side note I have a friend who is Johannasberg, South Africa. When she became a citizen of the US, we threw a party for her.

One friend remarked “How does it feel to be an African American”. Funny as hell, in the moment, as she is blonde and blue eyed.

[rodguy911]

This is great stuff and it’s very hard for the zero ops to erase or scrub stuff like this totally form the net. Great going.

[Vendome]

And your footprint?

[MHGinTN]

It is worth noting that if Barry were born in a Canadian 'home', a Canadian BC would have been issued and then put on file wherever his mother sought to register him, like in HI. THIS could be such an embarrassing thing--to have known he was not born in HI and that an original Canadian BC exists in HI vaults--that he would seek to hide this embarrassment.

However, this embarrassment to the affirmative action fraud, is criminal behavior when coupled with his forgery of an HI CoLB and subsequent collecting of hundreds of millions in campaign funds under false pretenses, then swearing an oath to the Constitution which he would be violating with the very act of swearing in!.

It is, to a leftist puke like Barry Soetoro who has gamed our laws all his life, merely an embarrassment for which he demands to be given a pass so that he may have his affirmative action promotion. His supporters are telling us a great deal about their lack of loaylty to the Constitutional Republic. Democrats are vermin in need of a few lessons on loaylty and legality.

[rodguy911]

I too once posed the Canadian birth theory on the basis that in the early 60's one was more likely to hide a youngster that had gotten impregnated by a man from another race than tout it as they are touted today.

Problem is to this date I know of no photos anywhere that show a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham.

I also know of no reliable witnesses that ever stated they saw her pregnant.

I have not done the kind of research many here have done but I have a read a lot of it.

Please correct me if I have erred.

[rodguy911]

Great post and it is probably worth noting that the msm/dbm appears ready to shill for this guy no matter what the offense. It's hard to imagine what he would have to do for them to either fail to ignore it or respin it.

[jonrick46]

"As the saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."

I think that fits Medved."

Medved's forte is history. However, if one does not learn from history, you are bound to repeat it. This is why you are correct: "It's a fit."

[reagandemocrat]

Are Obama and John Brennan involved in obstruction of justice?

[MHGinTN]

Yes, but with democrats in control of the Justice dept. you will never see an obamanoid goon prosecuted for criminal behavior. The democrat party is a criminal enterprise.

[Vendome]

Mine says the following:

 

State of California

Department of Human Services

 

Office of

The State Registrar

of Vital Statistics

 

This is to certify that

This is a true copy of

The Document Filed in

This Office, if Validated

on the Reverse

 

 

So I turn it over  and lo and behold there is a raised seal of the State of California and it looks like a Signature and some notation, of sorts.

 

Looking at a bunch of others they all pretty much say the same thing See Post #70 and look at the BC'c posted there.  I also am looking at BC's of 100 years ago and they too say the same.

[Vendome]

I have three. A copy of my original BC before being adopted, and two additional after my adoption.

They look nothing like the Barry BC(or BS if you prefer) They are incomplete and the State department cannot confirm what hospital you were born in or the addresses of your parents, if we accept Barry’s version.

[Vendome]

Good luck finding just one

[Vendome]

I have seen this one and it "may" very well be a copy of the original, off of a microfiche, printed onto that background.  It strikes me, however, that is missing the ususal this is a certified copy and the margin on the left does not look correct.  As if it was cut off.

 

I believe what you are referring to is a military COLB and definitely not what we are asking for.

 

Here is John McCains BC which can be corraborated with many other records.  Those records also contain signatures and a ton of supporting evidence

to substantiate his birth, place of birth, etc.

 

 

 

In my quest it looks like someone on FR has done the work I was attempting see here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2139603/posts

 

 

 

[BuckeyeTexan]

For future reference here is the text of the travel advisory. Travel to Pakistan was not banned by the U.S. or Pakistan in 1981.

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NO. 81-33A
Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__
AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS:

30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKISTAN.

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I don’t know what the laws were in Pakistan at the time, but it appears that they were allowing Americans to travel to Pakistan and obtain a 30-day visa at Pakistani airports.

Regarding the political climate in Pakistan at the time: Chief of Army Staff Gen. Muhammad Zia ul-Haq assumed the presidency of Pakistan in 1977. In 1979, President Zia banned political activity, postponed national elections, declared martial law, and sharia law. Pakistan remained under martial and sharia law until 1988 when President Zia was killed in a plane crash. Chairman of the Senate Ghulam Ishaq Khan became Acting President and announced that elections scheduled for November 1988 would take place.

According to the Obama campaign, In 1981 — the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University — Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend’s family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India. (Note: This paragraph is directly from an article by Jake Tapper of ABC.)

It would appear that Obama likely obtained a 30-day visa in Pakistan upon his arrival there. That is conjecture on my part and is unconfirmed. He stayed less than 30 days, so there would have been no need to obtain an extended visa.