Posted on 06/07/2009 2:56:42 PM PDT by lewisglad
News of Dr. George Tiller's death was only hours old last week when bloggers began asking the question: What kind of church accepts a doctor who performs abortions into its membership?
"I wonder what kind, if any, preaching against sin this church did since Tiller felt welcomed there," opined Blue Collar Todd, who declares on his blog that "liberalism, or sometimes called progressivism, is a false religion that stands in total antithesis to biblical Christianity."
Todd has already made up his mind, and so have others who called or e-mailed me this week to criticize a column I wrote describing the desperate circumstances that brought people to Wichita to obtain late-term abortions.
But I'll take a swing at the pitch anyway.
What kind of church would embrace George Tiller? A church that believes the creator endowed human beings with both conscience and intelligence, to enable us to wrestle with the complicated questions. A church that recognizes that one's relationship with that creator can't be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.
Tiller's church, Reformation Lutheran in Wichita, Kan., is one that trusts its members with the freedom to decide on matters of conscience. It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.
Some call this "relativism," and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.
I call it freedom. And, as with the right of a woman to decide on what terms to bring a child into the world, we should be vigilant against anyone or anything that would take it away.
(Excerpt) Read more at voices.kansascity.com ...
I think tiller screwed up around 60,000 time not just once or twice.
It’s pretty clear you’ve set yourselves up to judge what church is - or is not of God.
I think that’s a bit above your pay grade(s).
Source: John Hagee, from the sermon "How Do You Forgive When You Can't Forget"
I guess they'd be cool with the guy who killed him then.
Rather one should or shouldn't murder a baby really isn't a complicated question unless you're morally challenged.
A church that recognizes that one's relationship with that creator can't be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.
Really? So no central authority such as God or His proscribed direction such as the Bible work for such a church? There is one word fur such a church...apostate.
LOL!
So I have learned.
True...BTTT.
Since you asked - Is there some specific church you know that actually supports his murderer?
And while we're at it, what kind of church embraces and admires a man who has killed 60,000 unborn children?
My first reaction is, a church who is grateful for the (blood) money donated by Tiller.
I worshipped today in the company of about 120 sinners, such as myself. For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God. The GOOD NEWS is that I and my fellow worshipping sinners are, by the grace of God and through our faith in the redemptive and atoning work of His son Jesus, the Christ, also forgiven and redeemed sinners.
I am not called to pronounce a final judgement on the soul of Tiller. But I, and many others, are repelled and revulsed by the evil acts that he did, repeatedly and routinely.
We have a handful of posters working FR on the Tiller thread that are trying to move the discussion into the extremes. That every one of these works the ‘the women hiring the abortionist are just as guilty’ theme might be an indication of a talking points agenda they serve to try and discredit FR. Just saying’ ...
And he was an usher in the church. In my church that is an official and honorable office.
Not much separation from a political party (read Democrats) which has used supporting and defending the slaughter of the alive unborn as a means to empower their party ... or for that matter, a party that has used feckless opposition to the slaughter as a means to empower their political capital! The former consciously exploits the evil to empower themselves without hiding their moral bankruptcy, whereas the latter tries to hide behind righteous indignation while doing little of any substance to stop the evil, merely chipping around the edges as it were.
Yes, and when Roe is overturned and abortion is made illegal, women who have abortions will be charged with murder.
“Agreed. I’m just curious why anyone would think the murder of Tiller is somehow even worse than the 60,000 murders Tiller committed.”
I have some ideas on that:
When one person is murdered, its a personal experience. When 10 die, its less so. When 3000 die, even less so (as the evidence mounts around you regarding how 9/11 is barely a footnote in how we conduct foreign policy, etc.)
There’s a reason why people who raise cattle don’t give cows names.
True story - I came home on leave and while at home, my dad asked me to slaughter the 4 chickens we had in a coop in the backyard. For a few years, they would take the eggs they’d lay to eat, but when both my brothers left home, they didn’t want them around any more.
I went out back, killed them first thing in the morning, gutted and plucked them, burnt the pinfeathers off, and brought them down to freeze them.
I went in asking my mom to fry the one I brought in that I wanted to eat that night. My mom wouldn’t do it. Couldn’t do it. They were pets. They had personalities.
Not one night later, we bought KFC and ate it with nary a thought about the fact I had thrown all four of those birds in a pit and buried them the day before.
Not OK to kill and eat your own chickens, but its perfectly OK to eat somebody elses.
The more you slaughter, especially if you don’t know who you’re slaughtering, the easier slaughter becomes. 60,000 babies thrown into the incinerator in Tiller’s clinic? Might as well be 6,000,000. Stalin killed 20,000,000 of his own countrymen, and he’s lionized in Russia today.
If you have to kill, kill multitudes. Kill many. Killing one lands you in prison. Killing 60,000 earns you a heroes wake. Go big, or stay home. The bigger you go, the quicker you get rehabilitated by the historians.
Unit 721, that Japanese unit that performed live vivisections? They went on to become captains of industry, heads of universities, and chiefs of surgery in Japan.
Even serial killers don’t get it. You have to go more than 10 at least, or there will be no book deals, no prison proposals, nobody calling from Maury Povich.
I promise you this, when Haji finally takes out Denver with a nuke, Katy Couric will end up apologizing for him within the next three years. Mark my words.
Well and truly stated. Glad I didn’t miss that post!
but the Tiller church did...knew that he made MILLIONS off of killing little tiny babies, some ready to be born and breathe their first breath...
MILLIONS of $$$$$ for killing.....
there is nothing good or Christian or God-fearing about that...
I can think of scenarios where a woman would be desparate for an abortion....and I could think of some cases where perhaps, maybe, one might rationalize it away....but thousands and thousands of abortions?.....NO...that is not an exception, that is the rule, and Tiller made it his million dollar business to perform these heinous acts.. mutilations... murder...
I can't even imagine being married to him...all that blood money buying comfort and jewels and vacations....
BLOOD MONEY!
but the caveat .."Go...and sin NO MORE"...
I think God forgives.....if one repents and does not repeat and repeat and repeat the sin...
No.
When Roe is overturned it will be up to the several states to decide if abortion shall be legal in each state.
If pre-Roe laws are to be our guide, then it won't be mothers that get prosecuted," but thanks for outlining NARAL's scare-mongering for them.
Fact: Even before Roe vs. Wade, you have to go back to 1922 to find where a woman was criminally charged for having an abortion. Prior to 1922 there were exactly two, one in Pennsylvania in 1912 and one in Texas in 1922.
If Roe is overturned and states make abortion illegal, the people who will get charged with murder are people that perform abortions.
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