Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Bloody murder!

[babygene]

I agree with Jeff...

[HiTech RedNeck]

Tiller was an evil, murdering scum who met poetic justice.

[muawiyah]

My, my, my ~ "Repeal RVW"? Repeal? The USSC simply ruled that no matter what the people might decide through their elected representatives in their constitutional institutions the courts will not enforce it.

So, no, there's no repeal possible.

What you are talking about is a "reversal", or possibly even a USSC decision that "overrules" RVW.

There is, in fact, NO LAW here ~ just court procedures.

Shooting abortionists probably isn't going to influence the courts (except the ones run by Leftwingtards), but it does counsel the abortionists that they are not immortal ~ something which is probably a surprise to many of them.

What we have here is some basic Constitutional disagreements going on. As usual they take decades to resolve, or, as in 1865, they get resolved all at once. Sometimes the issues are clear cut ~ the slaves are slaves or they are free ~ not both. Here we have babies alive, or they are dead ~ not both.

There's going to be nothing whatsoever "nice" about the way the issue is dealt with in the end. Consider what happens the day the USSC gets that one additional RTL member and they issue a ruling that suddenly makes even thinking about abortion a crime ~ do you really believe the Leftwingtards are going to just stand there and take it?

Get real. They'll do the same thing the South did the day Abraham Lincoln took office ~ they'll pull out their guns and fire on us.

[Glenn]

I’ll wear it like an honor.

[muawiyah]

Hey, I could sit on a jury and find this guy guilty. Absolutely no problem. I could also have sat on a jury and found Tiller guilty. Absolutely no problem.

[HiTech RedNeck]

A bit too wordy to scan well as a limerick, but it hits the target....

[Shaun_MD]

And all it took was blowing someone’s head off.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Constimatutional amendment!

[beckysueb]

I disagree. You would be amazed at how many people have no clue about what abortion really is. Most people think it is just scraping away a tiny scrap of tissue. You need to get out and talk to people about abortion. Ask people what they think it entails. You can explain the truth to them in mere words and they just nod their heads , but they don’t really understand. Pictures like this get their attention.

[Lorianne]

The vast majority of people here and on other conservative sites codemned the murder of Tiller.

But you’ll never know that from reading liberals tell it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Instead of scooping it off or sucking it empty with a vacuum cleaner?

[Minn]

Real progress? There have been no late term abortions in Kansas since 5/31/09.

So then I guess ultimate victory in your mind is to kill every abortionist and blow up every clinic? Who needs this politics stuff? If you're really that dedicated, quit sitting on the sidelines and get in the game. Get yourself a gun, go to one of those sites that publicizes abortionists addresses and bag yourself some game. No? Got better things to do with your life than commit murder and arson? Not dedicated to the cause, or what? Then maybe go play with your toys and let the grown ups fight the battle.

[P-Marlowe]

as if your favorite team just put one up on the scoreboard?

Tiller................. 60,000
Buchenwald ......56,000
Roeder....................... 1

[HiTech RedNeck]

This Roeder may have been too deranged to be guilty of a murder, but that’s for a jury (or judge if his legal representative chooses) to decide.

[Shaun_MD]

Murder is murder.

[HiTech RedNeck]

lol. thanks. go underdogs!

[prismsinc]

While I don’t promote vigilantism, I can see how a moralist could see gray here.

We’re supposed to legally try and convict murderers, but what happens to our society when the government miserably fails to arrest and convict murderers?

This issue isn’t 100% when you consider the government is promoting murder of the innocent. The government is promoting lawlessness, which breeds lawlessness, IMHO.

[muawiyah]

I split the difference in my posts too. No sense giving the Leftwingtards a soundbyte. At the same time I didn't want anyone to think I would worry all that much about Tiller.

Threads like this, where we should probably be going after this Waldmon puke hammer and tong, allow us to vent a tad.

Still, I could sit on any jury and send anyone who wasn't a real Conservative to the gallows without a second thought (for what that's worth) and both Tiller and the guy who shot him weren't "real Conservatives" were they.

I think I have to add "Lutherans of that stripe, whatever it is" to the list of "can't be real Conservatives" though.

My goodness, who would have ever imagined you could just creep up on this thug at a church ~ how utterly bizarre!

[HiTech RedNeck]

Poetic justice.