Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Yes, there is the like of Black Panthers, and it is disgusting beyond words that Obama simply dropped the whole investigation into their menacing at the Philadelphia polls.

We would do well to be ready next time, with some Rolling Thunder biker types deployed to watch over each and every pollside Black Panther like a hawk.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I’d counsel them about their wickedness, and that they may escape the quincyconses in this world but not the next.

[muawiyah]

Let's shift to the Buddhist and Hindu traditional view on the matter for a moment. Tiller has, through his actions on this plane of existence, not endeared himself to God (or the gods). However, his behavior is of such nature as to shame even the rulers of the Demon Realm(s).

So, what happens in such cases?

Well, he doesn't get to go to Heaven, or even be erased from existence.

His fate is to be further improved by giving him another ride on the Great Mandala.

And boy is he getting a ride. Karma dictates that he be aborted numerous times for as long as it takes to achieve balance.

His visits to allegedly Christian churches will not protect him from a vengeful universe.

End of Temple School.

[bdeaner]

You run the risk of a backlash from the people you are attempting to convert, and that is counterproductive when you are trying to save the lives of unborn children.

Prove it, buddy.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Better for the moment. What follows needs watching.

[steve86]

If you could, would you bring him back?

That's a very good question. And would they send for a taxi to pick up the mothers/babies who had an appointment last week for the scissors treatment? And pay overtime to the assistants so they can catch up on last week's scheduled slaughters? Gotta put things "right", you know.

[palmer]

Better for the moment.

I agree but it is very likely that Obama and his ilk will find another murderer to take Tiller's place.

[Shaun_MD]

I’m not sad that he is no longer performing abortions. Am I sad he is dead? Yes because his death was unnecessary. Do I wish he was still alive? Yes for the same reason. Do you think that murder justifies murder? Killing Tiller did not help the cause.

[P-Marlowe]

I suspect that many, if not most, of those who are supposedly appalled by the execution of George Tiller have expressed in writing on this forum their personal belief that "ABORTION IS MURDER."

The fact of the matter is that anyone who has expressed that opinion must deal with the fact that rhetoric like that is what fueled the fire in Roeder to take out the worst Abortionist "Murderer" who ever lived on this planet.

Now if Abortion is NOT murder, then what Roeder did was reprehensible and he deserves to die by lethal injection as quickly as justice will allow.

On the other hand, if ABORTION IS MURDER, as I believe that everyone who has posted on this thread has said at one point or another, then Roeder deserves to be acquitted of murder.

I recognize that on many occasions on this forum I have expressed the sentiment that Abortion is Murder. If guys like Roeder have taken me seriously enough to take the ultimate step in stopping a murderer in his tracks, then I guess I will have to live with the fact that I contributed to the fuel that burned the fire in Roeder's mind.

I have to ask those who so roundly condemn what Roeder did whether or not they TRULY believe that ABORTION IS MURDER? Well do you? Do you really?

If you have expressed that sentiment either to your friends, or on this forum or on a bumper sticker, are you willing to accept a portion of the blame for creating a guy like Roeder, who actually took your words to heart to such an extent that he was willing to sacrifice his own liberty to put a stop to it?

[muawiyah]

I never said abortionists should be killed. That's something you've invented in your mind. There are other things we can do regarding abortionists in the future when it becomes legal to do so.

You have argued that we maintain silence in the face of a Holocaust. I find that elementally immoral.

[prismsinc]

Yeah, right, and we don’t need to see images of 9/11 to be reminded that we’re at war.

You don’t want to see the pictures because you don’t want your conscience to bother you. Just admit it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I think the event has forced people to think about... well, karma-like concepts. Obama isn’t exactly driving the abortion industry here in the states, but he is giving it immense permission.

[P-Marlowe]

Am I sad he is dead? Yes because his death was unnecessary.

It happens to everyone.

Tiller lived 67 years longer than his 60,000 victims combined.

[muawiyah]

Frankly the concept of "backlash" from people who approve of murdering babies is a bit bizarre. I'm certainly not afraid of it. Doubt anybody else is either.

Imagine this headline on Drudgereport: "Backlash ~ pro-aborts react to campaign against infanticide by slaughtering what would have been their first born."

[HiTech RedNeck]

Pulling the fate of Roeder into the picture is not very helpful. If his act was willful and knowing, he should die. If it was the deranged fit of a nut, he should be in a nut house the rest of his life. Either way, we don’t condone Roeder having squeezed that trigger. But we also don’t mourn Tiller, except perhaps that he didn’t repent.

[Minn]

Can you say "Gee, it's a darn shame that George Tiller wasn't alive this last week."

Yes, because he was martyred. Other abortionists will pick up the slack, if out of reverence to their hero, if nothing else. The political strength of the abortion industry is stronger than it was a week ago. The prolife and conservative movements are weaker than a week ago.

Also, I've had to face the sad reality that, according to posts here, the number of people I associate myself with politically that would actually cheer and justify a murder, because their too damn stupid to see the big picture, is a lot larger than I thought it was.

[palmer]

It’s true that Boama isn’t driving (or expanding) the abortion industry and Tiller’s death may not change that. But it still seems likely to me he and the abortion industry will replace Tiller rather easily.

[bdeaner]

The prolife and conservative movements are weaker than a week ago.

Prove it. Where are the numbers? The numbers in the polls I have seen show that it has made NO DIFFERENCE in the numbers of pro-life vs pro-death.

You are buying into the propaganda of the MSM.

[muawiyah]

Again, a grammar criticism ~ I used "counsel" passively. As in "they were counseled by the act". I did not suggest that anyone go out and "counsel them by ripping their arms off" or anything like that.

See the difference?

Words have meanings. Grammar has rules. Rules have consequences.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Where did this shifting poll get taken?