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Why does the stock market keep going up?
2009 June 5 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 06/05/2009 6:13:30 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The economy as I read it is not doing very well and hasn't been doing well for quite some time. I've never seen the situation nationwide as bad as it is now. The vast majority of students I teach in school will not do quality work or will not do much work at all. And, I've seen that in every school in which I've taught for the past 16 years (8 schools in all). I've been hounded from one school to the other because of my conservative views and for pushing the children to do better. When I finally started scaling my program down and began to lay off of the kids, I began to fit in more and have been at one school for the longest of any of them.

My investing philosophy has been that things can not hold up from what I've read and from what I've seen in the work ethic. Knowledgeable investors here know that as a result of the "short" investing strategy I've lost my butt. Can some one explain to me how everything can be working on the wrong principles and the markets keep soaring up in this country? I simply do NOT understand how it is all happening. The market is a leading indicator. How in the world are we going to have a good economy when all of the wrong decisions are being made? Someone please take the time to explain it to me.

All I am seeing is that laziness and incompetence and immorality is being rewarded and I simply do NOT understand.


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Someone explain things to me and, yes, I know what the Bible says, but this is all completely crazy.
1 posted on 06/05/2009 6:13:30 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Speculation. Calculated speculation.


2 posted on 06/05/2009 6:14:48 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

You’ve lost your butt but the market is soaring. I don’t understand what you’re saying.


3 posted on 06/05/2009 6:15:01 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Shrinkage should mean the survivors are stronger.


4 posted on 06/05/2009 6:15:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: LouAvul

Shorting stocks and buying Bear ETFs. Oh, skip it.


5 posted on 06/05/2009 6:15:48 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It is still 5,000 of its high a couple years ago, and is bound to fall back down before this thing is over. It seems to me like a short rally because people sitting on the sidelines were getting back in the market. There are too many closings, cuts, and pay reductions going on to produce a recovery.


6 posted on 06/05/2009 6:16:42 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Why does the stock market keep going up?

Because PT Barnum was right!

7 posted on 06/05/2009 6:17:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (USM is Gator Bait! (Congrats to U-Dub!))
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To: LouAvul

“You’ve lost your butt but the market is soaring. I don’t understand what you’re saying.”

...because he shorted the market(bet it would go down)


8 posted on 06/05/2009 6:17:49 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
-PPT and conspiracy bump-

To be honest, no one knows why the stocks are rebounding. Sure, there are some signs of a recovery, ie Baltic Dry index.

However, the standard method of investing in broad mutual and index funds is a proven, stay the course idea.

I know several money managers how gone fishing until a later date.

9 posted on 06/05/2009 6:18:25 AM PDT by BGHater (It's easy to be a Conservative now.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It is the Obama porkulus recession Bubble...


10 posted on 06/05/2009 6:19:50 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Betting on deflated Dollars!


11 posted on 06/05/2009 6:20:32 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

...I don’t understand it either...I’m on the sidelines in cash and am reluctant to go back in...I feel this March to June rally is fool’s gold....my nest egg can’t afford another leg down.


12 posted on 06/05/2009 6:20:50 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The market is a leading indicator.

Things are often priced into the market however I believe we simply have no reference for real pain. The WWII generation is the last generation of Americans who actually had to sacrifice and understood true economic hardship. Their roots were in the great depression and they were hit with another wave during WWII. The current American psyche has a limited reference for economic pain so most believe the worst is over. They are all still caught up in the "Hope and Change" mantra.

There may be some positive news here and there however I simply do not see a recovery until mid-2010 at the earliest and believe our reference will be lowered in the next 6 months via rising unemployment, inflation and increased crime.
13 posted on 06/05/2009 6:21:13 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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There are too many closings, cuts, and pay reductions going on to produce a recovery.

As of today, I simply don't believe that any more....just don't believe it. Some how they are manipulating things UP.

14 posted on 06/05/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I believe the market is responding to the coming inflation. It will stop when the market understands there is no future (i.e. profits) in a socialized economy.


15 posted on 06/05/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (If the government is going to make cars, why not make it a Porsche.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I think the market is being manipulated, and the crash was due to manipulation, too.

Having said that, I know very little about the market. I just have the sense that there are some relatively unknown super powerful people pulling all our strings. I don’t know who they are, but I’m pretty sure they’re not interested in our prosperity or freedom. I’m still wondering if Obama is one of them, or if he’s also a puppet.


16 posted on 06/05/2009 6:22:32 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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If you are involved in B2B ventures such as I am on a daily basis, you would have noticed over the last month that things are starting to move again. We were as busy as we ever were at the end of last year, could not keep up. Then, everything came to an absolute dead stop in January. Nobody was moving, sitting on their budgets out of fear. Now, things have picked up dramatically since they now have to spend their budgets yet this year.

I realize that my market segment may be an anomaly, but that is absolutely what I am seeing. If we maintain this for another month or two, we will get everything back to prior levels and carry on.

17 posted on 06/05/2009 6:22:40 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: philly-d-kidder

Why?

1. It fell further than needed based on emotional panic.

2. The Fed began giving banks 0% money to loan, and it made them look solvent. Fed money always makes things go up for awhile.


18 posted on 06/05/2009 6:22:46 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

pre-market futures are surging...up 120 points!


19 posted on 06/05/2009 6:24:15 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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Because the dollar keeps going down. If a dollar becomes worth a nickel, then a dollar’s worth of stocks will become worth $20.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 6:24:47 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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