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Ships race to Air France wreckage
Reuters via National Post ^ | 2009-06-03 | Crispian Balmer

Posted on 06/03/2009 7:34:01 AM PDT by Clive

PARIS -- Brazilian and French navy vessels rushed on Wednesday to reach wreckage of an Air France flight that plunged into the Atlantic, but investigators warned the truth behind France's worst air disaster may never fully emerge.

The doomed Airbus was carrying 228 passengers and crew en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it crashed into the ocean early on Monday after the pilot reported heavy turbulence.

Debris was sighted by a spotter plane more than 24 hours later about 745 miles (1,200 km) northeast of the Brazilian coastal city of Recife, and the Brazil navy has dispatched four navy ships with recovery equipment to the area.

France prepared to send a boat with an unmanned submarine aboard that can explore as deeply as 6,000 metres (19,680 ft) and will try to locate the Airbus's black boxes, which could shed light on the mysterious disaster.

Paul Louis Arslanian, the head of France's air accident investigation agency, said he was not totally optimistic that the black boxes would ever be recovered and said the probe might not reveal all the reasons behind the crash.

"I cannot rule out the possibility that we might end up with a finding that is relatively unsatisfactory in terms of certainty," Mr. Arslanian told reporters.

"But we will do our best to limit the uncertainty," he said.

A first report will be ready by the end of the month, with the investigation led by Alain Bouillard, who took charge of the probe into the crash of an Air France Concorde in 2000.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalpost.com ...


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This is going to be a really tough one for the BEA to investigate..

Water depth over 3,500 meters, a surface debris field five kilometers long and strong undersea currents.

FWIW I seriously doubt that the cause of this disaster was a lightning strike.

1 posted on 06/03/2009 7:34:02 AM PDT by Clive
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Ships race to Air France wreckage

Seems like a rather innapropriate venue for a sporting event.

2 posted on 06/03/2009 7:35:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: All
From the article:

Mr. Arslanian revealed few new elements, confirming only that the plane's crew had sent a radio message reporting turbulence as it headed towards the equator and that the plane had later sent a series of automated messages over a three minute period reporting malfunctions. He did not specify what these were.

3 posted on 06/03/2009 7:35:11 AM PDT by Clive
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I seriously doubt that the cause of this disaster was a lightning strike.

As do I.
4 posted on 06/03/2009 7:35:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/)
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To: Clive

Agreed - not given the warnings they apparently had. And lightning, like empty fuel tanks, just don’t cause planes to crash.

Sorry to rip open a wound there, but I’m sure others were thinking it also.


5 posted on 06/03/2009 7:35:41 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Red in Blue PA

C’mon

Planes fall out of the sky from cruising altitude on a regular basis - nothing to see here - move along.


6 posted on 06/03/2009 7:37:24 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: Clive
Paul Louis Arslanian, the head of France's air accident investigation agency, said he was not totally optimistic that the black boxes would ever be recovered and said the probe might not reveal all the reasons behind the crash.

Good mindset there.
7 posted on 06/03/2009 7:40:34 AM PDT by allmost
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FWIW I seriously doubt that the cause of this disaster was a lightning strike.

I agree - modern planes deal with lightning easily. So, what are some other possibilities? (No distress call - no odd data sent in - no Maydays... nothing.) What's left?

8 posted on 06/03/2009 7:41:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - Quit supporting the MSM.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Read the account of BOAC flight 911 over Mt Fuji.

Turbulence can rip any aircraft apart.

Lightening can damage modern aircraft as well, especially those designed around ESD sensitive microprocessors.


9 posted on 06/03/2009 7:42:48 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Clive

Posts over on airliners.net seemed to indicate that the three-or-four minute sequence of automated ACARS messages indicated some sort of electrical faults, followed by an autopilot disconnect, then ADIRU (air data inertial reference unit, I think) and standby instrument faults, then faults on the primary and one secondary flight computer, and finally an excessive cabin vertical speed warning that might indicate a depressurization. So whatever happened to AF447 wasn’t one massive failure like a Pan Am 103 or a TWA 800. Things failed over a span of at least four minutes, apparently in a cascade of increasing severity.

The thing that concerns me is that even if they do find the recorders, if there were electrical problems, it’s possible that they might not have all the data on them. When the Swissair MD-11 crashed off Nova Scotia in 1998, both recorders stopped fully six minutes before impact because they lost electrical power.

}:-)4


10 posted on 06/03/2009 7:43:52 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Clive
Aircraft wiring harnesses are typically encased in a braided conductive metal shield similar to that shown in the background of this picture, to prevent problems from lightning strikes.


11 posted on 06/03/2009 7:44:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GOPJ
TWA 800:


12 posted on 06/03/2009 7:48:03 AM PDT by zeebee
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Paul Louis Arslanian, the head of France's air accident investigation agency, said he was not totally optimistic that the black boxes would ever be recovered and said the probe might not reveal all the reasons behind the crash.

Would it be excessively paranoid to think that perhaps they might not want to release an official statement about what caused the crash? If, say, it was terrorism-related?

13 posted on 06/03/2009 7:48:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: GOPJ

Well...turbulence is a possibility, as they were cruising in an area of fairly strong thunderstorms, although turbulence hasn’t been directly responsible for the destruction of a jetliner in a long time. Two Qantas A330s experienced recent problems with their air data computers, one of them had an “upset” (a momentary loss of control until the pilots could wrestle it back) as a result. An inflight fire is always a possibility like on Swissair 111 in 1998. And you can’t yet rule out the possibility of some sort of explosive device or sabotage.

All we know is that Air France got a sequence of automated messages from the airplane between 2:10 and 2:14 GMT that morning, listing an increasing series of things going wrong. Sometime after 2:14, the plane crashed, out of voice and radar contact with anybody.

}:-)4


14 posted on 06/03/2009 7:48:47 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Clive
This on Drudge:

General Bomb threat on Air France flight Posted on 27 May 2009 at 16:27

15 posted on 06/03/2009 7:49:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - Quit supporting the MSM.)
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To: wrench

If that is the case, they probably would have sent a distress signal.

None was sent.


16 posted on 06/03/2009 7:50:18 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/)
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To: cvq3842
...empty fuel tanks, just don’t cause planes to crash.

You're right - sometimes they glide to uneventful landings on abandoned airfields.


17 posted on 06/03/2009 7:51:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: zeebee

Is that a legitimate gif of TWA800?


18 posted on 06/03/2009 7:51:50 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/)
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To: Moose4

Thanks for the information. Looks like it’s a “wait and see” situation...


19 posted on 06/03/2009 7:52:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - Quit supporting the MSM.)
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To: Clive
Why would a competent pilot fly through the center of a very nasty storm system? When he could have flown around it!
20 posted on 06/03/2009 7:53:28 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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