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The Big Collapse Could Be Very Near
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 5/31/09

Posted on 06/01/2009 1:38:05 PM PDT by FromLori

The Federal Reserve appears to be increasingly nervous about the long term bond market. This is serious. How panicked are they? After leaking a story on Friday, they are back at it on Sunday.

The Federal Reserve leaked to CNBC's Steve Liesman on Friday that they weren't targeting long rates. Why such a leak? Probably because the Fed did not want to appear impotent in controlling the long rate. So they put out the word through Liesman that they weren't targetting the long rate. Can you imagine what would happen to the markets if it sensed long rates were beyond the control of the Fed?

The Fed can of course print money to buy up every Treasury bond in existence, but the inflationary ramifications would be Zimbabwe like, and crush the dollar on international currency markets. Are we near the phase where all hell breaks loose? I have never even answered, maybe, to this question before. It's always been, "no." Now it's maybe.

What really has me spooked is another article out this afternoon (on a Sunday) that Drudge has even picked up. It's a Reuters story by Alister Bull. The headline: Federal Reserve puzzled by yield curve steepening.

Translation, the Fed doesn't know what is going on, but they are really scared.

Here's more from Bull:

(Excerpt) Read more at economicpolicyjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeconomy; cwii; economy; fed; second100days; thecomingdepression
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To: FromLori

When we see the Obama administration leasing offshore oil leases, you will know they are in a panic.


61 posted on 06/01/2009 3:46:15 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: freekitty
I thought the Messiah said we are going to hit bottom hard; skid our bottoms until they are raw and hit that pesky embankment hard as hell.

That was today, I'm talking about yesterday. ; )

62 posted on 06/01/2009 3:49:47 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kcvl
He thinks everyone is as stupid as the people who voted for him!

It worked for Carter.

63 posted on 06/01/2009 3:50:59 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: FromLori

This sucks!


64 posted on 06/01/2009 3:59:42 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: diamond6

Yes it sure does but better to know and prepare.


65 posted on 06/01/2009 4:06:21 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: mountainlion

Barter bucks are already in short supply. Barter bucks (ammo) is getting tougher and tougher to get.


66 posted on 06/01/2009 4:37:39 PM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: FromLori

I totally agree with you but one can only prepare so much. I can only buy so much food. I can only provide a temporary cushion.


67 posted on 06/01/2009 4:43:57 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Da Coyote

You’re being very optimistic aren’t you?


68 posted on 06/01/2009 4:45:09 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Prince of Space

You mean Ferfal... yeah, I have been checking into his site alot lately.

He recommends everybody invest in a Glock 19. Unfortunately, I dont have that type of money right now.


69 posted on 06/01/2009 4:49:50 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: EGPWS

LOL


70 posted on 06/01/2009 4:57:05 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: GWB00
Because it isn't, this is more doom mongering nonsense from knuckledragging populists...
71 posted on 06/01/2009 5:16:53 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: rcofdayton
Borrow as much as possible to make highly leveraged bets on real estate and industrial commodites - no wait, that's what fell apart completely last year.

Folks, the inflation story is dead as a doornail but the men who lost their shirts betting on it will never give it up. They will predict it for the next hundred years.

72 posted on 06/01/2009 5:18:41 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: jersey117

“.....an inheritance from the Bush Administration”

“an inheritance from a Democrat House and Senate”


73 posted on 06/01/2009 5:22:51 PM PDT by mo
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To: dfwgator

No No No-you picked the right week to quit drinking. Think of what your are going to do with all that money you’ve been flushing (or puking) down the toilet. Fake it until you make it.


74 posted on 06/01/2009 5:23:14 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: ichabod1
I heard it was because GM and Citi were yanked from trading today.

They both traded all day.

75 posted on 06/01/2009 5:33:28 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: FromLori
30 year mortage rates are above 5%, deficits are off the charts, the debt is no longer even calcuable in real numbers, consumer spending is down, another half million will lose their jobs this week and stocks right now are expensive historically.

But all these things are slightly better than the Wall Street Wizards predicted by pulling numbers out of their behinds so the market is going up come hell or high water.

At least that's what all the experts who missed the bear are telling me so who am I not to believe the experts?

76 posted on 06/01/2009 5:33:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: FromLori
This is kind of a scary article: The Big Collapse Could Be Very Near
77 posted on 06/01/2009 6:51:45 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne

Sorry to repeat the link - didn’t mean to. But the article is still scary.


78 posted on 06/01/2009 6:52:27 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne
My take on the situation is as follows. The seeds to this depression began with a several prong approach many years ago. The bureacrats and central planners knew they could not put the citizenery in this country if they were educated. So they determined to dumb-down the last few generations to become pliable, constitutionally illiterate, and with no desire to be a free people. They gave them subsistence housing, subsistence welfare checks, and the liberals bought them off with the money from the public treasury. Then with a "majority" of voters being compliant the full frontal assault on the Constitution began and today the preeminent mechanism for amending the Constitution of the US is by judicial fiat, not by the Constitutionally prescribed way of changing it. Obama chooses the word 'empathy' to disguise his intentions of rewriting the Constitution. Euphemism are a favorite tool of marxist. Now, as David Rockefeller so aptly put it, "All we need to bring forth One-World Government is the right emergency."

So as several in the Obama administration repeated, "Never let a catastrophe go to waste!" Of course, the administration (both Bush and Obama) did little to 'reign in' exorbitant levereged positions by hedge funds and Investment Banks. This was allowed by repeal of Glass Steagall. Then last September 16, 2008, a day which will live in enfamy, the hedge funds burned the House of Lehmans to the ground, an event which did not have to occur. Think, if the government had put a l ittle money in Lehmans (like it did AIG, GM, Crysler,...just a fraction, this event which has been forcasted as inevitable by most Austrian economists could have been averted. Bush, Paulson, Bernanke, Gaitner, Obama, they all know this, yet they continue to do exactly what is contraindicated....you do not raise taxes in a recession/depression, profligate spending out as far as they eye can see. But that tool of Lehmans failure was the tiny spark which ignited the inevitable...it set into motion events beyond even their control....it set into motion the demand performance of the counterparties of structured default swaps (derivitives). Paulson, if you listened carefully, said as much as far back as late Sept 2008.

This process, like a nuclear chain reaction, is in process of destroying our country, so that from the ashes a New Wold Order can rise from the ashes. It has begun and it accellerates as we sleep tonight. Think.....last week Bernanke bought much of the initial offerings of the Treasury Bills, when the bidding began. Think about it, if you loaned yourself money to fund your debt. It is illogical. This is called monitizing of the debt. Now, as this articles intimates, the long bonds are in question. The USA has long term obligations of about 55 trillion dollars. That is debt which will paid for by your children and grandchildren so that the Communist Chinese will be paid. Our posterity are being groomed to be the slaves of Communist Chinese.

Most do not see it, but it is not under control of the FED, or Obama, or Gaithner. They are like the little Dutch boy trying to plug the holes with their fingers and toes so this unwinding of derivitives does not occur so fast as to create civil unrest, but make no mistake,...there is nothing on this earth which will stop it. Nothing!

Unless this country, which is in technical default, does what most buisnesses will have to do, and declares chapter 11 or chapter 7 and reorganizes and reclaimes the FREEDOMS of our precious Constitution, (I see no real hope for that) then our future is on of rapid decline, decay, and destruction.

As the songwriter said, "Will the ruin come with pain? Can a life removed remain? Will a nation need forgiveness in us all? Can we change what's right from wrong, can we leave and still belong? Or have we lost that precious gift that we once had? (freedom). I don't know, I don't know.

Anyway, this is Captain Sunshine...signing off.

79 posted on 06/01/2009 7:49:10 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: GWB00
An innocent and sincere question. If this is a potential panic moment, why is the Dow up 221 pts today?

In the very short run, markets can be irrational.

Look at today, darn near everything was up, clearly some of it was wrong.

80 posted on 06/01/2009 7:54:37 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (control the teleprompter, control the world)
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