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1 posted on 05/27/2009 8:15:30 AM PDT by Lafayette
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To: Lafayette

So make it a popularity contest?


2 posted on 05/27/2009 8:18:46 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: Lafayette
Sounds perfectly reasonable...

if you want to destroy any notion of private enterprise and property ownership. And go WELL BEYOND card check, and just say that all 1000+-employee corps are all of a sudden union shops. If that is all the case, then your suggestion is perfectly reasonable.

3 posted on 05/27/2009 8:18:59 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Lafayette

Nonsense. The owners of a corporation should decide who runs it. Employees who want a say can buy stock just like anyone else and then vote for directors who agree with their views on corporate governance.


4 posted on 05/27/2009 8:20:07 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Lafayette

I think the satire skills are somewhat lacking here . . .

Don’t quit your day job.


5 posted on 05/27/2009 8:21:42 AM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: Lafayette

If you’re going to do a satire, at least make it more interesting than that.


6 posted on 05/27/2009 8:22:10 AM PDT by Mountain Troll (Barak Obama - just another affirmative action government hire living in public housing)
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To: Lafayette

The CEO works for the board. He doesn’t work for the employees. You would be placing the CEO in a no win situation. He would have to please the board and the employees, and would be an ineffectual bowl of jello by the end of three months.

A suggestion box? Why not... as long as the employees realized not every suggestion could be approved

A secret ballot to fire or not? Unworkable IMO


7 posted on 05/27/2009 8:22:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Lafayette; Admin Moderator

Save the utter idiocy of opinions like this for DU, not the “News/Activism” section of FR.


8 posted on 05/27/2009 8:24:32 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Lafayette

Corporations are in business to make money. Period. They are not in business to satisfy employees. I think smart companies would listen to their workers, but they are not obliged to.


10 posted on 05/27/2009 8:27:14 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Lafayette
"By virtue of the above.."

There is no virtue in the anti corporate crap you spew.

Start your own corp and let your employees vote you out, FIdel.


11 posted on 05/27/2009 8:27:28 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Lafayette
Many corporate managers make decisions without regard to employees or the long term impact of those decisions on employees. While the near-term impact of those decisions on the bottom line might appear positive, the long-term impact might be highly negative.

This premise, though often taught in colleges, and repeated ad nauseum in the press; is not one I have found to be true of corporate management.

To accuse management of it, without a shred of evidence, shows a lack of understanding of how businesses,employees, and economics, actually work.

My suggestion: go out and start your own company, hire a bunch of people, and work out your theories for yourself.

In 10 years, re-write your proposal, based on actual experience.

12 posted on 05/27/2009 8:29:54 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Lafayette

Did you lose your way to democraticunderground.com?


13 posted on 05/27/2009 8:31:05 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Lafayette

Stop it already.

This was supposed to be satire, the hint being “modest proposal”, the famous Jonathon Swift piece about eating children to end poverty.

(for those with limited literary knowledge )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

it’s just not very good satire - as it seems very few get it.


15 posted on 05/27/2009 8:34:35 AM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: Lafayette
You have three problems:

First, you have no understanding of capitalism, or for that matter basic business principles.

Second: A corporation has absolutely no duty to its employees other than to pay them promptly for their wages and to provide a safe workplace or if the job is inherently risky to provide employees with proper notification of risk.

Third: A corporation has no duty to the community other than to follow local customs and laws.

A corporation's sole duty is to its stockholders who have invested their hard earned money. It owes investors the maximum possible profit that can be earned while following the law. No bribery, no fraud, etc.

A corporation, or as that matter no successful business, is a democracy. You do what the boss wants you to do whether you agree with his policies or not. You might also try the idea that everyone else thinks the boss is smarter than you are, otherwise he would be working for you.

If you suspect that the boss is unethical, then you quit.

17 posted on 05/27/2009 8:35:48 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Lafayette

The problem is not that corporate managers make decisions without regard to the employees, but that corporate managers make decisions without regard to the owners—the shareholders—for whom they are in theory fiduciaries (or to use an old-fashioned word for the same thing, stewards).

We do not, by and large, have a syndicalist economy, but a capitalist economy. Certainly employee buyouts, employee compensation paid in part in common stock and the holding of common stock in union pension funds have introduced elements of syndicalism into our economy. Your suggestion, that management serve at the pleasure of, and work for the benefit of, the rank-and-file employees, is just a different means of abolishing capitalism, as it makes the effective owners of the corporation the employees, rather than the shareholders.

A mixed capitalist/syndicalist economy might actually be the optimal type of economy, in that pure syndicalism has problems with capital formation, while pure capitalism, once the ownership of capital has become as diffuse as it has so that major blocks of stock are voted by fund managers, rather than wealthy individuals with a personal interest in the corporation’s success, suffers from the problem of bad stewards—managers who act in their own self-interest, rather than the corporation’s interest—which might be constrained by an element of responsibility to the employees. But your proposal goes too far.


22 posted on 05/27/2009 8:44:57 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Lafayette

Who is John Galt?


24 posted on 05/27/2009 8:55:11 AM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.)
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To: Lafayette
Are you a union organizer? Employees are employees. If they want the perks of share holders, they need to buy shares so they have an equity stake in the success of the corporation. An employee owned corporation is the the ultimate form of that ideal. If they don't have an equity stake, they are simply employees exchanging their services for a paycheck. It is a completely silly suggestion. If the employees want some kind of influence on how the shareholders vote, they are free to distribute informational material to the shareholders.
25 posted on 05/27/2009 8:58:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lafayette

Nope.

Corporations belong the shareholders, not the employees. The shareholders already have a vote.

If the employees have ‘no confidence’ they’re free to look for another job.


28 posted on 05/27/2009 9:04:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Lafayette

These are HORRENDOUS idiotic proposals.

These are EMPLOYEES not owners. If they want a say in a publicly traded company then they are free to invest their own money in shares.

This communist trasition manure has no place in the free market.


41 posted on 05/27/2009 12:21:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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