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National Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look; Rahm Emanuel's brother advises 10% VAT...
Washington Post ^ | 5/27/2009 | Lori Montgomery

Posted on 05/27/2009 5:38:44 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss

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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; fanfan

I’m actually hoping for it. It will likely take a giant misstep to snap some Americans out of their Obamamania. They think this guy hung the moon.

Raise a $150/week grocery bill by 15% and you will wake a few people up. They’ll start to wonder where that $ is going.

Sadly, that’s what it takes sometimes to get people to start paying attention...when it finally affects them personally. Too bad for the rest of us who were privy to it all along.


341 posted on 05/28/2009 8:43:40 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rabscuttle385

New rule. No one who gets a salary from any level of government - federal, state, local - is eligable to vote. Except the military, and cops - The folks directly involved in public safety. All others are nothing but bureaucrat pigs suckling at the public tit.


342 posted on 05/28/2009 8:44:52 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: NCBraveheart
This idea leaves out the most essential part of the Fair Tax, repeal of the 16th amendment
Repeal of the 16th is not part of the Fairtax.
343 posted on 05/28/2009 8:46:27 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: demoskowitz

The FairTax is an exellent solution = the end of federal income taxes and the IRS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2256608/posts

www.fairtax.org


344 posted on 05/28/2009 9:03:41 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Slapshot68

It should be clear, the income tax on the rich will be in addition to the VAT, not in lieu.........


345 posted on 05/28/2009 10:26:31 AM PDT by scannell
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To: wombtotomb

even IF they did that they would be back the next year for taxing the rich for their programs.


346 posted on 05/28/2009 10:28:34 AM PDT by scannell
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To: scannell

“It should be clear, the income tax on the rich will be in addition to the VAT, not in lieu.........”

Don’t kid yourself. The VAT will be in addition to our current income tax for all taxpayers.


347 posted on 05/28/2009 10:28:48 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: djsherin; rabscuttle385; bamahead
I wonder if they honestly think this is a good idea. I mean really. Not even Keynes thought you should raise taxes during a recession...

The Goods and Services Tax (GST) was introduced here in Jan, '91.

It wasn't pretty.

348 posted on 05/28/2009 5:51:51 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan
It wasn't pretty.

All those poor Albertans, not paying any sales tax at all until the introduction of the GST. ;)

349 posted on 05/28/2009 5:55:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
I know. It must have been a shock.

Here in Ontario, we were already paying 8% Provincial sales tax on many items. The GST added another 7%.

For every dollar we spent, we needed the extra 15% to complete the transaction.

The Conservative Gov. has reduced the GST to 5%, as they promised. Still, why should any of us pay even 13% on everything we buy, to the government?

Sorry, I'm ranting tonight.

350 posted on 05/28/2009 6:05:23 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

The only province I would give serious thought to moving to is Alberta. The five percent GST isn’t as much of a shock to me, since Virginia’s general sales tax is five percent. And, supposedly the income tax there and CPP taxes are lower than their U.S. equivalents. Plus, I have tons of family living there already.

Don’t get me wrong, though. I love Virginia, as I’ve grown up here. But Northern Virginia is full of illegals, federal employees, and leftists now, and the cost of living has gone sky high. Households here in the $50K-$100K range are too “rich” to receive government benefits but too poor to compete with the federals for housing...and it’s even worse for those lawfully resident households who have to buy health insurance on the open market because their employer doesn’t offer it. [Illegals just go to the ERs and then don’t pay.]


351 posted on 05/28/2009 6:22:57 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: All

Gerald Celente...for those who might care to read or listen.

http://geraldcelente.tk/

He’s also doing radio a lot, which you can find on YouTube.

In part, he is saying that the Mother of All Bubbles will be the bursting of the Bailout bubble, at which point, there will be the very rich, the tradesmen and the serfs. Period.

Celente, Schiff and Denninger are not ‘the happy people,’ as the guy at the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii would say.


352 posted on 05/28/2009 8:04:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The 5 Stages of Collapse: http://www.energybulletin.net/node/47157)
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To: dirtboy

Off shore protections:

http://www.offshore-protection.com/panama-charitable-foundation.html

I am also looking for links to offshore trusts, which the wealthy use in this country to avoid taxation on their wealth.


353 posted on 05/28/2009 8:14:52 PM PDT by combat_boots (The 5 Stages of Collapse: http://www.energybulletin.net/node/47157)
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To: unixfox
The ultimate revolt would be to stop filing income tax returns.

They know this is coming, and that's why there is all this talk of a VAT. Tax evasion in places like Italy is rampant. Their government couldn't function without a VAT. It's much easier for the tax-eating class to terrorize a relatively few merchants than it is to put the genie back in the bottle when everyone starts fiddling their income taxes.

354 posted on 05/29/2009 12:22:11 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: demoskowitz

This foul regime is a plague on the land..


355 posted on 05/29/2009 12:31:52 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: dirtboy
Folks, the upcoming political fault line is between government employees and the private sector employees. This proposed VAT is meant to feed the government unions beast. The ONLY way to turn this country around is to make massive cuts in the number of government employees, along with their bennies.

Amen, amen, amen. We could live very nicely with one-tenth the number of useless government slugs and leeches we now have.

I could solve this problem before lunchtime if I were Emperor. I'd have a War Department, Treasury Department, Justice Department, State Department, and Interior Department, all of whom would have to make do on a fifth of their original budgets.

Every single employee in every other department would be either fired outright with an affordable lump sum in lieu of benefits, or would be transferred to an appropriate position in one of the five surviving departments if their job were deemed important enough. (Air traffic controllers, border patrol, and food inspectors are the only ones I can think of offhand.)

356 posted on 05/29/2009 12:34:46 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: demoskowitz

OMG
Haven’t they seen what high taxes are doing to California? or are they so Egocentric that they don’t care, it won’t hurt me.


357 posted on 05/29/2009 9:24:32 AM PDT by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: mc6809e
It's high income professionals that will be paying more in taxes.

Notice how nobody has EVER suggested a tax on wealth (annual net worth), only income.

The wealthy RATS that come up with these tax schemes make sure they don't have to pay. But the poor slob trying to work and make himself comfortable if not wealthy is screwed.

And the mid to high income RAT voters are too stupid to ever figure it out.

358 posted on 05/31/2009 3:38:21 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: demoskowitz
But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity

It the spending....stupid.

359 posted on 05/31/2009 3:43:26 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yeah... and rich I ain’t but I’m kinda like the Jew that another Jew ask... “How are you?” The answer was... “I’m comfortable.” But VAT tax?? Fine... IF there is NO income tax. Otherwise... I, for one (and my clan... never said this before... are the hell outta here. And... frankly, I could give a tinker’s damn where.

When we get to the point that the Ruskies are commenting how quick we’re sliding toward old Carl Marx.

Screw’em and feed them fishheads and spam. Look... it’s either get the hell out or the only other alternative no one will even speak of.

MY COUNTY HAS COME TO THIS??? THE PLACE OUR CLAN CAME TO IN 1610 AND HAVE DEFENDED HER EVERY TIME A DUST UP THAT’S EVER COME DOWN THE PIKE.

SIMPLY TOO MAY FOLKS SUCKING A SUGAR TIT. SHORT AND SWEET... PUN INTENDED.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT... I GOTTA GO AND DO SOME DEEP BREATHING EXERCISES.


360 posted on 05/31/2009 6:49:51 PM PDT by Bubba (TERM LIMITS + MAKE DUELING LEGAL! Accurate HISTORY... THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT SUBJECT.)
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