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Last time I heard the term "Preventive Detention" in connection with the Gleichschaltung that allowed absolute control by the Nazis.

Verordnung des Reichspräsidenten zum Schutz von Volk und Staat. Vom 28. Februar 1933

Auf Grund des Artikels 48 Abs. 2 der Reichsverfassung wird zur Abwehr kommunistischer staatsgefährdender Gewaltakte folgendes verordnet:

§ 1

Die Artikel 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 und 153 der Verfassung des Deutschen Reichs werden bis auf weiteres außer Kraft gesetzt. Es sind daher Beschränkungen der persönlichen Freiheit, des Rechts der freien Meinungsäußerung, einschließlich der Pressefreiheit, des Vereins- und Versammlungsrechts, Eingriffe in das Brief-, Post-, Telegraphen- und Fernsprechgeheimnis, Anordnungen von Haussuchungen und von Beschlagnahmen sowie Beschränkungen des Eigentums auch außerhalb der sonst hierfür bestimmten gesetzlichen Grenzen zulässig.

§ 2

Werden in einem Lande die zur Wiederherstellung der öffentlichen Sicherheit und Ordnung nötigen Maßnahmen nicht getroffen, so kann die Reichsregierung insoweit die Befugnisse der obersten Landesbehörde vorübergehend wahrnehmen.

§ 3

Die Behörden der Länder und Gemeinden (Gemeindeverbände) haben den auf Grund des § 2 erlassenen Anordnungen der Reichsregierung im Rahmen ihrer Zuständigkeit Folge zu leisten.

§ 4

Wer den von den obersten Landesbehörden oder den ihnen nachgeordneten Behörden zur Durchführung dieser Verordnung erlassenen Anordnungen oder den von der Reichsregierung gemäß § 2 erlassenen Anordnungen zuwiderhandelt oder wer zu solcher Zuwiderhandlung auffordert oder anreizt, wird, soweit nicht die Tat nach anderen Vorschriften mit einer schwereren Strafe bedroht ist, mit Gefängnis nicht unter einem Monat oder mit Geldstrafe von 150 bis zu 15000 Reichsmark bestraft.

Wer durch Zuwiderhandlung nach Abs. 1 eine gemeine Gefahr für Menschenleben herbeiführt, wird mit Zuchthaus, bei mildernden Umständen mit Gefängnis nicht unter sechs Monaten und, wenn die Zuwiderhandlung den Tod eines Menschen verursacht, mit dem Tode, bei mildernden Umständen mit Zuchthaus nicht unter zwei Jahren bestraft. Daneben kann auf Vermögenseinziehung erkannt werden.

Wer zu einer gemeingefährlichen Zuwiderhandlung (Abs. 2) auffordert oder anreizt, wird mit Zuchthaus, bei mildernden Umständen mit Gefängnis nicht unter drei Monaten bestraft.

The key paragraphs are 1 and 4(2). Sounds exactly what Ø is proposing here!

1 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:49 AM PDT by markomalley
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I’ll have to take you word for that, but “preventive detention” cannot - repeat CANNOT - be a good thing. obama is growing bolder by the day.


38 posted on 05/21/2009 8:21:08 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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Google translation:

Regulation of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State. From 28 February 1933

On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Empire Constitution is to defend against Communist acts of violence staatsgefährdender decreed the following:

§ 1

Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Empire will continue to be abrogated. There are therefore certain restrictions on personal freedom, freedom of expression, including freedom of the press, of assembly and association laws, intervention in the mail, postal, telegraph and Fernsprechgeheimnis, orders of Haussuchungen and seizures, and restrictions on property outside otherwise designated statutory limits.

§ 2

If in a country for the restoration of public order and security necessary precautions are not taken, the Reich Government in so far as the powers of the supreme Land authority temporarily exercise.

§ 3

The authorities of the countries and communities (community associations) have on the measures adopted § 2 of the Reich Government in its responsibility to be obeyed.

§ 4

Who by the supreme state authorities or their subordinate authorities to implement this regulation or orders adopted by the imperial government adopted pursuant to Section 2 or who contravenes orders to such infringement or incites asking is, unless the act under other regulations with a more severe punishment is threatened with imprisonment not less than one month or a fine from 150 up to 15000 reichsmark punished.

Who through infringement under para 1 is a common threat to human life brings, with imprisonment, in mitigating circumstances with imprisonment not less than six months and if the infringement of a human death caused by the death, in mitigating circumstances with imprisonment not less than two years. In addition to asset recovery can be detected.

Who gemeingefährlichen to a breach (para. 2) incites or calls, with imprisonment, in mitigating circumstances with imprisonment not less than three months punished.


39 posted on 05/21/2009 8:21:28 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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I would have had a serious problem if Bush had proposed this if the suspects were United States citizens or people who had “lawfully” entered the United States. Our constitution prevents the detaining of anyone without a trial. However, the world is not a party to our constitution. They bear none of the responsibilities and do not get many of the protections.

My question is are the target suspects the administration has in mind conservatives who have a weapon and ammunition cache which the libs consider a potential threat to their totalitarian regime. They could never put a US citizen on trial for possessing weapons but they could detain him as a suspected terrorist. These people are getting really dangerous.


40 posted on 05/21/2009 8:22:53 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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No mention on whether or not this would apply to U.S. CITIZENS is there? “PREVENTATIVE DETENTENTION”, eh?

This wouldn’t have anything to do with that HS memo about “Domestic Terrorism Watch List” would it? NAH, couldn’t be, right? And, I’m SURE Obama isn’t going to use a law like this against his own (former) supporters, especially those on the left who are now probably itching to start a protest against SOMETHING, right?

You know, I watched PBS two nights ago about the Kennedys (half interesting - half barf alert! LOL).

This really reminds me of when Bobby Kennedy confronted that sheriff about arresting people BEFORE a crime was committed because the sheriff just “KNEW” they were going to do something wrong...

The Communists really did infiltrate that party but good, didn’t they? And, NOW the liberals have, instead of a Communist “prodigy” like they wanted, a MUSLIM FASCIST DICTATOR with a Messiah complex and they fell for it all hook, line, and sinker - they must be so proud of themselves right now...

You know, if it didn’t mean dark times ahead for ALL citizens I might be tempted to laugh...


41 posted on 05/21/2009 8:23:09 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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Isn't “preventive detention” exactly what the Burmese generals are doing with Aung San Suu Kyi? You can't do that in the USA. As much as I dislike Islam, I am not willing to go there. People picked up on the battlefield during a war are an entirely different matter. They must be shown, however, to be enemy combatants.
44 posted on 05/21/2009 8:23:59 AM PDT by JimSEA
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Tick.....tock.....


47 posted on 05/21/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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The good thing about this is that we’ll all eventually be able to put a face to a screen name.


48 posted on 05/21/2009 8:25:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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“terrorism suspects”=domestic terrorists
“domestic terrorists”=right wing extremists
“right wing extremists”=anyone who disagrees with their agenda: IOW, you and me

Islam is the religion of peace. 0 bows to them.


49 posted on 05/21/2009 8:26:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers, all armed conservatives)
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Questions.

Who gets to decide who is to be detained?

And who gets to decide if they are a threat to national security?

Could Rush Limbaugh be detained under this?

Could anyone who disagrees with the Obama administration be considered a threat to national security and thus be detained, even if they could not prosecuted?

57 posted on 05/21/2009 8:30:08 AM PDT by rawhide
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Those requiring "preventive detention" can be recognized by their wearing or otherwise displaying reditions of this image


58 posted on 05/21/2009 8:31:25 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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Preventive detention of foreigners is most understandable under many conditions. Being a POW is one of them.

The issue here is whether he intends to limit it to foreigners and if so, how the hell is this any different from what Bush was doing at Gitmo?


60 posted on 05/21/2009 8:32:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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>Obama Is Said to Consider Preventive Detention Plan

Like the American citizens of Japanese decent during WWII?
Yeah, that’s a great idea! [/sarc]


62 posted on 05/21/2009 8:33:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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The Napolitano Gestapo defines any opponent of Obama-style international totalitarian marxism as a “terrorist”. Do the math.


65 posted on 05/21/2009 8:34:48 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Log Cabin Metrosexual Hairless RINOs for Bipartisan-ness)
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For later


67 posted on 05/21/2009 8:37:00 AM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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And the ACLU must be just pleased as punch.

What a sham.


70 posted on 05/21/2009 8:37:46 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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The most innocent view of what President Obama is up to, is that he is employing a triangulation strategy. He has repeatedly moved to the right in selected national security matters lately (tribunals, detentions, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc). I think this is largely about distracting and undercutting his opponents so he can continue to push forward the radical domestic agenda that he truly cares about. It is rare that a president can have a free hand in domestic policy. It is all but unprecedented for a president to endeavor to radically transform the nation with virtually no opposition. Obama is taking full advantage of his historic window of opportunity.

A less rosy view is that he is preparing the foundations for using state organs to persecute, attack, imprison, silence, and purge his opponents. Obama certainly appears to be a messianic radical leftist. Such behavior is like mothers milk to the ego and ambitions of this sort of man.

Perhaps he is doing both at the same time.

78 posted on 05/21/2009 8:41:34 AM PDT by Jeff F (austinaero; Phoenix11; WaterBoard)
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So is it better to call them ‘Illegal Enemy Combatants’ so you can lock them up indefinitely like the Bush administration did with Padilla?


83 posted on 05/21/2009 8:42:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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'Preventive detention' is Obamaspeak for locking up all those veterans and gun owners who are buying ammunition. Rightwing extremists and Christians are the real enemy. Got to do something with all those FEMA prison camps that stand empty and unused.

Don't believe in prison camps ____ ? Check my freeper page.

84 posted on 05/21/2009 8:42:21 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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The more you post that, the better.


87 posted on 05/21/2009 8:43:47 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Wow. Just Wow!!!

Let’s see...you don’t do what 0 wants...we use strong arm tactics. You still don’t see the light or error of your ways we classify you as a terrorist. Real, economic, and imagined. It is no longer going to be just a smear campaign against private businesses or citizens...we are going to be detained!

Wasn’t it one of the trio in the House that called the folks at AIG, economic terrorists?

Weren’t many of us recently defined as terrorists or potential extremists?

And again where will this type of attitude from the White House take us in regards to Freedom of Speech?


89 posted on 05/21/2009 8:46:40 AM PDT by EBH (What happened to my Country and how do I TAKE it back?)
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