Obama Is Said to Consider Preventive Detention Plan (Flush the Constitution!)

NY Slimes (Page A18!!!) ^ | 5/21/2009 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

[markomalley]

WASHINGTON — President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama’s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions — a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.

[Talisker]

The post-partisan America in several decades: driving a POS electric government car at 10 mph, getting stopped by ACORN DHS union thugs every 2 miles to have one's papers, phone cards, waistlines, and drink holders examined, driving to AmeriBank (the only bank in the country, operated by the federal reserve) to deposit skin, hair, and urine specimens (Patriot Act III qualifications to detect evidence of gunpowder exposure, tobacco use, non-diet Pepsi consumption, meat consumption, super-quota diet supplementation, and unlicensed reproductive acts) and withdraw meal credits so as to use at the local UN food dispensary to pick up a monthly allotment of government tofu-cheese and People's Gruel before being shipped off to either Iraq (Overseas Contingency Operation Enduring Pacification, year 46), Sudan (Overseas Contingency Operation Soaringly Enduring Democracy, year 19), or Somalia (Overseas Contingency Operation Enduring Restoration of Hope and Change, year 4) to put on a blue helmet and hold a shovel while being shot at by Kalashnikov-wielding neolithic recipients of (apparently insufficient) US welfare payments - or, if "national service" is refused, before being subjected to government propaganda for 20 hours a day at a level III FEMA reeducation camp until either social conversion is deemed to be achieved or until you are found to be a genetic match and thus involuntary organ donor to the requisite number of protected-class individuals (possibly as low as one, depending upon how many protected groups the individual is a member of) as to justify your demise for their survival (the common good).

No paragraph break needed above - that is all one sentence.

I nominate this for Best Rant of 2009. It's a freakin' masterpiece! Well done!

[matt1234]

Using the Constitution as a backdrop, he disgraces it.

Using Catholic Priests and Bishops as a props, he advocates the killing of children.

Using the Military as a backdrop, he slashes the defense budget.

"The principle— which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily."

--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

[Talisker]

If Bush had proposed this, the monkeys in the MSM would be shaking their cage doors right off the walls.

LOL great visual...

[sheik yerbouty]

He’s a National Socialist with a melanometric type of racialism..

[sheik yerbouty]

Thoughtcrime will be a sufficient offense to qualify for such treatment..

[PleaDeal]

For some of the terrorists at Gitmo, this may be necessary.

Lest ye forget, DHS has called all conservatives "potential terrorists". We would be the kind of folks put into preventative detention, not muslim fanatics captured on the battlefield.

[markomalley]

And that's why I quoted the Reichstag Decree of 1933 in the beginning. That decree's similarity with this current preventive detention proposal and a couple of other laws recently proposed is really scary.

[Islaminaction]

He will use this on the right.

[El Gato]

If Bush had proposed this, the monkeys in the MSM would be shaking their cage doors right off the walls.

And flinging "stuff" at everyone in sight. Of course that is their normal MO anyway.

[MrB]

Very few of us doubt that.

It’s in the left’s ideological DNA to use government to punish and exterminate its opposition.

[Centurion2000]

He’s a National Socialist with a melanometric type of racialism..

Afrinazi.

[agere_contra]

The good thing about this is that we’ll all eventually be able to put a face to a screen name.

LOL. You're a "glass is half-full" kind of guy :0)

[shibumi]

To which rant I reply in the words of Edgar Friendly:

"I've seen the future. You know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin, sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing, "I'm an Oscar Meyer wiener.""

[cayuga]

Me, too, but there are those who are busy buying up ammo with their credit cards who are afraid of ending up on a "list" somewhere...

Crazy, isn't it? You can't stay under the radar forever.

I'd rather have "the list" so large that it scares the crap out of anyone who wants to take us on.

I'm a Life Member of the NRA, subscribe to gun magazines, buy ammo and supplies on the net, and DHS can watch me all day long. They'll see my Gadsden Flag (they need to see millions of them). I might have to change to the Gonzales Flag soon.

[cayuga]

What I would really like to see is another 20 to 30 million NRA members I wonder how many on this site aren't members and why.

I have been encouraged by the many posts from FReepers who say they still don't own a gun, but joined the NRA to support our freedoms.

As for gun owners who think they can hide by not being on a "list", they are only fooling themselves, and making us look weaker than we are. It only encourages the enemy to attack.

Watch for 0bama's Reichstag Fire, and be ready for what's coming.

[cricket]

OThuga is a place holder, stalking horse, forerunner. And probably considered a fairly expendable one, at that.

Agree with the 'ONE' being a place holder; he can do little that would be considered original. As for being expendable; true; OTOH; he makes a perfect empty suit President; for now. Guess we will have to see how much of the Constitution we have left in four years - or less.

[cricket]

From 'A Russian Diary'/Anna Politkovsskaya; murdered journalist:

[Forming a political opposition in Russia became a practical impossibility. . .

Firstly, we lack an independent Judiciary. An opposition has to be able to appeal to an independent Legal system. Secondly, we lack independent national mass Media. . .Thirdly; there are no independent sources of Finance for anything substantial. In the absence of these three fundamentals it is impossible to create a viable political opposition. . .There is no democracy now in Russia, because democracy without an opposition is impossible. . .

Were we seeing a crisis of Russian Parliamentary democracy in the Putin era? No, we were witnessing it's death.]

Ugly parallels here, of course; in the message for 'change'.

[cricket]

Anna Politkovskaya typed correctly!/sigh. . .

[cricket]

Was a member as a child. .(Father a ‘sporting club’ member) and I joined again. ..many years later; when Clinton became President. And yes, do not carry a gun; but absolutely want to support this group. Strength in numbers only.

[visualops]

Unless I am sorely mistaken, the prisoners at Gitmo were captured “on the battleground” so to speak, actively fighting against the US, or they are wanted for specific crimes.
That is quite different from deciding somebody is a threat based on Lord knows what criteria, and incarcerating them presumably before they commit a crime.