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To: nuconvert; DoughtyOne; caver; ConservativeMind; All

Keep the faith, lose the Church.

With all the past abuses, payouts, and voting for Obama, I’d be out of the Catholic Church, pronto.


55 posted on 05/20/2009 11:59:36 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: wolfcreek

If I were a Catholic, I’d certainly be demanding some accountability and corrections. I can understand why some folks wouldn’t want to completely abandon their church over this, but I would be extremely troubled by the reports.

I remain a bit skeptical about the total truth on much of this. I’m not interested in denying injured parties their day, but I don’t want the media and special anti-faith interests to be able to manipulate this situation to further their own goals either.

I would honestly like to know more about all this. What types of infractions are proven without a doubt. How widespread were they actually. What forms of physical abuse actually took place on a daily or frequent basis.

Look, I’ve seen abuse cases blown out to near demonic proportions, only to find out none of it took place, so I am quite skeptical of these situations.

Anyone remember the McMartins? Oh they were terrible people. The media whacked them daily for years. Then we found that it was all a big hoax.

I’m just not inclined to believe everything I hear these days without a lot more proof and details.


85 posted on 05/20/2009 3:48:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: wolfcreek
...I’d be out of the Catholic Church, pronto.

Roman Catholic indoctrination prevents that. Lose the church, according to them, means lose your salvation... God doesn't get to make that decision in the Roman scheme!

Of course, Paul spoke differently!

Romans 4: 9Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."[d] 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. -NIV

100 posted on 05/21/2009 4:33:25 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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