There's no "sex club" denomination! Most of the protestants stick with adults, though!
Posted on 05/20/2009 9:26:48 AM PDT by nuconvert
DUBLIN – A fiercely debated, long-delayed investigation into Ireland's Roman Catholic-run institutions says priests and nuns terrorized thousands of boys and girls in workhouse-style schools for decades — and government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rapes and humiliation.
Nine years in the making, Wednesday's 2,600-page report sides almost completely with the horrific reports of abuse from former students sent to more than 250 church-run, mostly residential institutions.
It concluded that church officials always shielded their orders' pedophiles from arrest to protect their own reputations and, according to documents uncovered in the Vatican, knew that many pedophiles were serial attackers.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
I take it that you just hate the Catholic Church a feel an urgent need to bash it.
There is always going to be some evil in any orgainization. But it would be better to be raised up by nuns in Ireland than by social workers in the U.S.
And what does “international” have to do with the fact that there are many more cases of sexual abuse in the public schools, and that that abuse is getting worse, whereas in the Church things have gotten far better since the rotten 70s.
Oh, the poor, shamed religious expressing their shame that such things went on.
From the article:
“But its findings will not be used for criminal prosecutions — in part because the Christian Brothers successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report. No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document.”
Yep, the RCC knows how to appear to be doing penance, but they know even better how to circle the legal wagons as effectively as any profit-making corporation.
The report covers more than 50 years and tens of thousands of children. I believe it.
For a realistic but sickening taste of what was involved watch this Irish movie.
I’m not even Catholic, hell I’m agnostic, but painting the entire Catholic church as you have done (some 1.1+ billion people) on the basis of what a teeny minority has done is hardly the product of a conservative mind.
“..The commission dismissed as implausible a central defense of the religious orders — that, in bygone days, people did not recognize the sexual abuse of a child as a criminal offense, but rather as a sin that required repentance.
In their testimony, religious orders typically cited this as the principal reason why sex-predator priests and brothers were sheltered within the system and moved to new posts where they could still maintain daily contact with children...”
Defend the Catholic church on those words.
Exactly! It gets tiresome when someone seems to make it their mission in life to continually attack the Catholic church. I do relize that many Christian churches fill their members full of nonsense about what we do in the church but many grow up and finally find out that that is exactly what it was utter nonsense.I am not excusing anything. Most of this happened in the 1950’s and 1960’s while I was a child in that church. I never saw any of that and no one I knew who grew up in the church had anything like that happen.
It appears that 66% of US Catholic bishops covering this up makes it the overwhelming majority of the highest leadership being responsible.
Read post #23. The working link to that is in post #38.
Well, I believe many of the people who attend the Catholic church are decent people.
I believe the vast majority of priests are fine people, but the hierarchy above them is grotesquely corrupt.
Note all the bishops and others in the highest places in the Cathoilc church that have sought to hide illegal, immoral, sick abuses for decades.
The Catholic Caucus thread Alex quotes in post #23 and #38, and the disgusting legal stance taken by the Catholic church, as mentioned in post #40 (from this article) should help you understand that it isn’t necessarily the local people, but the leaders that are truly the problem.
LOL! Yep that seems like what happend everytime anyone tries to discuss the issue. I have to tell you, a guy Dh works with recently converted because his wife and kids are Catholic. He’s been amazed at how the Christian church he was raised in complely distorted the chuch. He basically said they outright lied about it and did make us into “evil Catholic”. He’s pretty mad about it all.
So I’m guessing films like “The Magdalene Sisters”,”Heaven Help Us”, and others weren’t just made up out of whole cloth?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/world/europe/21ireland.html?em
If it happened, it's horrific. Criminal.
But look again at the article. We find that:
Say people in Italy, Germany, Korea, Japan, etc. claimed that U.S. soldiers abused them as civilians 50, 60, and 70 years ago.
Say the accused were long dead; written records were either unobtainable or nonexistent; US agencies which insisted on proof were deemed "uncooperative"; and there was a large, highly publicized monetary fund available to reward those who made accusations without evidence.
Would we, as Americans, assume the accusations were true, and join in a worldwide chorus condemning U.S. servicemen abroad as monsters of depravity?
No? No?
Hmm. Interesting.
Unfortunately, post #40, which quotes the article, blows that out of the water.
The Catholic church agrees the stuff happened (at least to some extent), but that they didn’t see rapes of children as legal offenses to be admitted to civil authorities, but as something that could be dealt with internally, allowing abusers to ultimately be given more kids to rape.
May I suggest “The Magdalene Sisters”,Miramax Films avail. on netflix. It is about these schools.
I have a great aunt that was placed in one of these schools. She never had contact with the family again.
Her Grandson doing ancestor research contacted me about two years ago.
These weren’t very NICE places.. Shame
Spittle-dripping Anti-Catholic ping.
Keep the faith, lose the Church.
With all the past abuses, payouts, and voting for Obama, I’d be out of the Catholic Church, pronto.
There's no "sex club" denomination! Most of the protestants stick with adults, though!
>>“..The commission dismissed as implausible a central defense of the religious orders — that, in bygone days, people did not recognize the sexual abuse of a child as a criminal offense, but rather as a sin that required repentance.<<
Well, I’ll handle this one. I worked Psych in the 90s. It was commonly thought that the sexual abuse of a child WAS a disorder that could be treated and cured.
Now we know that’s wrong.
Hindsight is 20/20. My Dad died in 1982 from Colon cancer. If he had contracted it today, there would be a good chance he would survive. Treatments change.
So, you expect a religious order to override the Psychs telling them that a person could be treated or cured? They are religious, not doctors.
Thank you so much!
My DH did RCIA with a couple that had the same experience.
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