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David Zingale: "It's wrong to demonize immigrants over flu" (show how he's wrong)
SacBee ^ | 5/19/07 | David Zingale

Posted on 05/19/2009 2:25:43 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

We at the California Endowment have dedicated our organization to creating healthy communities within our state. In doing so, we have sought to broaden the discussion beyond health insurance and access to health care, which capture most media and public attention. True community health is created by a broad spectrum that includes affordability and access to wholesome food; parks and play areas for children, adults and seniors; and public safety so residents feel comfortable in leaving their homes to lead active lives, to name a few.

Tolerance, too, plays a key role in fostering healthy communities, and the current H1N1 outbreak exemplifies this.

As authorities seek to contain an epidemic, it is critical that those with symptoms feel able to come forward to school, health care and other public officials. Identifying, treating and sequestering sick individuals is key when a disease breaks out. But attacking entire groups of people is counterproductive.

Anti-immigration drum-beaters have seized on the H1N1 flu to advance their cause. CNN's Lou Dobbs reportedly casts the virus as the "Mexican flu." Others have dubbed it the "fajita flu," while talk-radio host Michael Savage has used the virus to call for a U.S.-Mexico border shut-down and blames undocumented immigrants for the illness' spread...

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; californiaendowment; immigrantlist; michaelsavage; swineflu; zingale
Note: Rather than simply dismissing this article, please help show how he's wrong or being misleading.

Simply dismissing this article will have no impact on the hundreds or thousands of people who might trust what he says. And, what those people will do have an impact on you.

Simply saying he's wrong doesn't cut it, you have to present a specific argument illustrating what he's not mentioning or what he's wrong about.

The goal of that is to show others - such as those searching for his name in Google - that he isn't credible. Note also that his and similar arguments from others all started with this MMFA article from last month. It was mainstreamed by Jesse Washington of the AP on the 2nd of this month.

1 posted on 05/19/2009 2:25:43 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
It's easy to dismiss the writer's use of language. Illegal aliens are merely visitors who have a home in a different country. They are free to leave any time they wish.

Immigrants have an immigration visa.

Telling someone spreading the flu to go home hardly has anything to do with immigration or attitudes toward immigrants, but the visitors really should go back home.

Did you see what the Chinese in Hong Kong were doing with the Mexicans? They confined them to a high class hotel until they were bored out of their nuts. The Mexican government sent a jet plane to pick them up.

There are several million others in the US still waiting on those jet planes. They are in need and now that we can see that their government can deliver what they want, there's no excuse for waiting. It's not like those guys standing around in front of the Home Depot and the Seven Eleven belong to a cargo cult ~ they just need a ride somewhere else, and planes seem to fit the bill just fine.

2 posted on 05/19/2009 2:30:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

People who are only here to earn enough money to go back home and live like king in their own country but do not care to follow the rules in this country, Drinking and driving, beating family members, not paying taxes, not taking care of your own health problems but spredding them around as you go about your own day. No matter what country they come from I have a problem.


3 posted on 05/19/2009 2:33:29 PM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotlme)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Anecdotal maybe, but just look at how the TB rates have shot up along the border states and the states identified as major destinations for the South American illegals.


4 posted on 05/19/2009 2:39:46 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Sometimes conservatives bend over backwards to prove liberals wrong when it really isn't necessary.

I think this is one of those times. The Americans with common sense see this flu as coming from Mexico and spread by those from Mexico. And lack of hygiene education doesn't help in the spread of swine flu.

This does not mean all illegal immigrants are dirty. But then, it doesn't take all illegal immigrants to cause an epidemic.

5 posted on 05/19/2009 2:41:54 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

No, we don’t. We don’t have to present ANY alternative at all. I don’t care about his ‘influence’ of a bunch of assholes in California or where ever. They are already lost to common sense. I am tired of indulging idiots and tired of tiptoeing around the logical obvious. Illegals bring crime and DISEASE, period! These two, coupled with the intolerable strain on our public health, private health, educational resources and all round just getting in your damn way situation. Screw them and their sensibilities!


6 posted on 05/19/2009 2:43:46 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

The place that the disease originated from, Mexico, is a 3rd world country. Many illegal aliens from Mexico are not educated, even to the point of being unable to read and write in their own language. If a person can not read and write in ANY language, how can they know how to prevent disease? They will not have been taught at home, that is not the kind of thing taught at home in a 3rd world country.

I was in WalMart shortly before this Mexican flu outbreak. There was a couple in line behind me with a very young child of only a few months old. The baby was coughing all over the place, the parents never once bothered to cover the baby’s face to prevent spreading whatever she had. They were busy chattering away to each other in Spanish, & yes they were non-white, dark skinned & dark haired.

The metaphor of “letting the horse out of the barn” that we have heard in the news & was spoken by our government official is not a comparable metphor for this situation. Metaphors are used to simplify and explain something. The borders need to be closed, we don’t need more problems, especially right now. In case no one has noticed, we have enough problems in this country. Our public officals are behaving like fools to allow this to continue. It has never been policy to allow persons carrying diseases from foreign countries to wander where ever they please until recent history. It is not even common sense.


7 posted on 05/19/2009 2:53:31 PM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I think the writer needs to define “healthy communities.” Does he mean physically healthy, mentally healthy, spiritually healthy? Then he needs to explain how tolerance is important to that healthy community. He’s relying on glib generalities to support his argument; in fact, he’s not making his point at all.

In addition, he’s using the subterfuge of referring to illegal immigrants as simply “immigrants,” and then painting anyone who oppose illegal immigration as a crazy right-winger.

And, he’s misrepresenting the argument against illegal entry. Opponents aren’t jumping on the fence issue because of the swine flu outbreak. Instead, they’re pointing to the outbreak as another indication of the dangers brought about by our refusal to enforce our laws.

The writer should be easy to debate, as he’s not done a good job of making his case. Problem is that those who might follow him probably won’t care about the reasoning involved.


8 posted on 05/19/2009 3:05:53 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

My job is directly related to the H1N1(formerly known as swine)outbreak. I can assure you that the 99% of our + cases are in the Hispanic population.


9 posted on 05/19/2009 5:02:05 PM PDT by Litany (Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ orders.)
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To: calcowgirl

Zingale Ping


10 posted on 05/19/2009 6:06:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
We at the California Endowment have dedicated our organization to creating healthy communities within our state.

Ya mean he gave up homosexuality?

11 posted on 05/19/2009 6:08:16 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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