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Notre Dame honors Obama, dishonors all that is good - PROTEST LIVE THREAD, May 17, 2009
AIPNEWS.com ^ | May 17, 2009 | AIP Chairman Tom Hoefling, aka EternalVigilance

Posted on 05/17/2009 6:34:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

May 17, 2009

Please post all information about today's protests here.

My phone is already ringing steadily.

Our AIP folks on the ground at the Notre Dame gates report that the CBR plane is in the air.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: catholic; life; moralabsolutes; notredame; obama; prolife; protest
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To: whatisthetruth

Well, we just can’t tell from that picture. Let me know when they find some men.


981 posted on 05/17/2009 1:32:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Big tyrants unleash a million petty tyrants.)
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To: exit82; EternalVigilance; livius
re: Hesburgh

Hesburgh had doubts about the ban on birth control in the 1960s and apparently linked up with the Rockefeller Foundation, a nestbed of hysterical anti-Catholic Malthusian population control freaks. "Father" Hesburgh presided over Notre Dame's divorce from the Catholic faith and staged a conference on "modernizing" Catholic universities in 1967 at Land O'Lakes, Wisconsin. The result was to secularize Catholic universities and load them up with heretic dissenters and liberal anti-Catholics.

Obama actually mentioned Land O'Lakes, Wisconsin, alluding to an earlier meeting there on civil rights. But his speech writer must have known the connection and put that in there as code as well. You just NEVER - never - call Catholics "parochial" in any context. That is a traditional anti-Catholic slur and it was actually quite shocking to hear Obama use that term in his speech. It was an insulting comment and clearly directed at pro-life Catholics. As was Jenkins' and Obama's references to "demonizing" opponents in politics and moral debates. That Jenkins singled out pro-life activists as supposed demonizers was disgusting and a moral distortion.

The other disgusting part was Obama's canard about the boy with diabetes and stem cells. That any Notre Dame student cheered for this line was a damnable indictment of the education going on there. There is NO scientific evidence that embryonic stem cells will EVER cure diabetes. And there are plenty of distinguished medical researchers who will testify to that. That Obama used the ND commencement platform to push for embryonic stem cell research was Satanic and revolting.

982 posted on 05/17/2009 1:32:48 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Petronski
I’m glad you understand.

So I don't have to do any Hail Marys?

983 posted on 05/17/2009 1:33:04 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Sister_T

I have goosebumps. Seriously, when I meet those who vote on convictions and not party or race I am the proudest American ever.

I applaud you!!


984 posted on 05/17/2009 1:33:15 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Sister_T
I am pro-life; therefore, there was no way in the Lake of Fire a pro-abortion ... back up, pro-infanticide politician was getting my vote.

Good for you! Btw, after this is over (which it will be someday, but many of us may have to suffer first) I think many Obama voters will be denying that they ever voted for him. Nobody in Germany ever owned up to voting for Hitler once things started to go downhill.

985 posted on 05/17/2009 1:33:15 PM PDT by livius
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To: Texas Eagle

You don’t seem to care about forgiveness for a billion sins.


986 posted on 05/17/2009 1:33:42 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

....and evidently an Iconoclast...full of fear and trembling at images. You know they drool too.


987 posted on 05/17/2009 1:33:52 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
announced the opening of a new research facility where the school will cultivate and experiment on human embryonic stem cells
988 posted on 05/17/2009 1:34:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: big'ol_freeper
These days iconoclasm is so fashionable...
989 posted on 05/17/2009 1:35:29 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: OafOfOffice

Here is Steele interview and stance on Notre Dame and Obama. Just so we know exactly where he stands.

Chairman Steele, both of you as Catholics, should Notre Dame have a pro-abortion rights president get a degree and address the graduates?

MR. STEELE: I think you have two issues here that need to get clearly separated. First off, any institution’s going to be honored to have the president of the United States come and address them. And that’s separate from that institution then placing its imprimatur on the president by conferring a degree, which is what—which is the case here. And that’s where Catholics draw the line. It’s not about the president speaking at the university, it’s the fact that the institution is saying that we confer, you know, our favor on you...

MR. STEELE: ...and by extension a lot of the values that you represent and hold, because they are tied together in many respects. Those institutions don’t hand those degrees out that readily. So it is, it is a very strong sticking point and I think a lot of Catholics and a lot of pro-life Americans are very concerned about that. And I think it’s inappropriate. And the president should speak, but the degree should not be conferred.

MR. GREGORY: Chairman Steele.

GOV. KAINE: Well, David, look, I’m a Catholic. I’ve got two brothers who are Notre Dame grads and feel very close to that community. I’m very happy that they’ve invited the president and that they are honoring him with a degree today because I think that his career merits it, and I think most Catholics agree. The issue on abortion is really this, the president has really made it pretty plain: Our party stands for let’s reduce unintended pregnancies, let’s reduce abortions, but we don’t have to criminalize the choices that women make or that their doctors make to do so. So the president has got a very open dialogue going now with folks who want to come up with other strategies to reduce abortion. Better health care access for women, you know, appropriate education of youngsters, better adoption policies.

GOV. KAINE: I think what he should say is that let’s beware of those who want to make it into a polarized culture debate and talk about ways for Americans to find common ground. And that’s what the president has done, and I think that’s what he will share today at Notre Dame.

MR. GREGORY: You know, it’s interesting, because this is an issue where some on the left have been critical of the president, saying that he hasn’t pushed hard enough. This is how The New York Times reported it on Friday: “[Obama] has actually dialed back some earlier ambitions. In 2007, he promised Planned Parenthood that...[he would] sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which effectively codifies Roe v. Wade. Now he says the bill is `not my highest legislative priority.’” Is he backtracking?

GOV. KAINE: He’s looking forward to bringing people together. Because again, abortion is like a lot of other issues. It gets pitted as, you know, one polarized side against the other. But American people, I think, recognize that we would want to reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions. You just don’t have to criminalize women’s health care choices...

MR. GREGORY: Chairman Steele, there are Republicans like Newt Gingrich, who’s out there saying this is the most pro-abortion of any American president.

MR. STEELE: True.

MR. GREGORY: Do you see it that way? True?

MR. STEELE: I absolutely see it that way.

MR. GREGORY: Based on what?

MR. STEELE: Based on the fact—based on his past record in, in the state legislature, the bill that he sponsors—sponsored there with respect to partial-birth abortion and late-term abortions. The first steps of his administration were to undo the executive order that would ban federal funding of abortion and abortion-related information overseas. I mean, this president is really talking out both sides of his mouth on this issue. On the one instance he’s telling Planned Parenthood, “I got your back, I’m going to be there,” but then on the other instance he’s coming into an institution like Notre Dame and he’s going to play this, you know, “we can all get along on this issue.” The reality of it is the majority of Americans now—and a lot of those numbers are reflected by young people who are coming around on this issue. The science is now proving that life has greater value than, than the Supreme Court thought it did in 1973. And I think that—you’re with two pro-life chairman here. I think that this issue’s going to be a big part of the debate going forward, and the administration had better be careful here because you cannot get away from the morality, morality that’s involved with this issue.

GOV. KAINE: David, I, I just have to say on this, it’s not talking out of both sides of your mouth to try to bring Americans together, and that’s what this president is doing. As far as Newt Gingrich’s statement, a great group in the Democratic Party, Dems For Life, has been very happy with the way this president has included them both in the platform drafting process and now in discussions about finding common ground on strategies to reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions.

MR. STEELE: And I think, I think this is a great opportunity, since the chairman has made this, this opening here, I look forward to working to build a strong pro-life coalition within the Democratic Party since that’s—this is the direction the president wants to go.


990 posted on 05/17/2009 1:36:40 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Petronski

Yeah but you notice they post a lot of them. Makes you wonder just how much the Holy Spirit is prompting them and how much time they spend on their computers seeking them out.


991 posted on 05/17/2009 1:36:46 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Petronski
You don’t seem to care about forgiveness for a billion sins.

Au contraire. I care. When I sin, I ask Jesus for forgiveness, I don't recite Hail Marys.

Do you ever ask Jesus for forgiveness before, during or after you do your Hail Marys?

992 posted on 05/17/2009 1:37:51 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rbmillerjr; chase19
"Father" Jenkins' speech was hysterical and an hysterical attempt to prop up Obama and defend and rationalize the decision to invite him. Jenkins began shouting hsyterically and seemed to be losing control of himself emotionally as he got worked up in an Obamamaniac spaz attack. It was bizarre to watch and hear. It's been a while since seeing a fruitcake clergyman get that excited in a similar spaz attack.

No priest should be cheerleading for Obama or his policies. The IRS might want to look into IRS code violations for his endorsement of Obama.

993 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:14 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: big'ol_freeper

What kind of person “does not give a flying fig” about denying the faith of a billion Christian souls?


994 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:33 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: buccaneer81
Actually the Hail Mary is found throughout the Bible.

Hail Mary, full of grace, blessed are you among women.

It can be found in the Gospel.

995 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:33 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: freekitty

I was wondering if that was a real baby or a recording by some protestors.

There seemed to be some students looking around to see where that noise was coming from...or so it seemed.

If it was a protest recording, a truely brilliant idea to have the grating sound of a crying baby to force one’s conscience to think a little.


996 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:35 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: Texas Eagle
Why do you hate Jesus’s mother? I'm sure he's offended by your nastiness.
997 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:45 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Texas Eagle

not wanting to get baited into this argument, but statues and pictures of statues will not support your defense. they are but Symbols ....


998 posted on 05/17/2009 1:39:12 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: Texas Eagle

Why the contempt towards those that revere the Virgin Mary? Do you believe in the immaculate conception?


999 posted on 05/17/2009 1:39:34 PM PDT by Signolife
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Hesburgh had doubts about the ban on birth control in the 1960s ...

I read a very interesting post - maybe it was yours? - about Hesburgh, the bishops and birth control. History has vindicated Paul VI in what was the one brave, defiant act of his papacy, since the Catholic acceptance of birth control is what has led to the collapse of the family, the decline of Europe, the resulting Muslim invasion and a host of other evils.

But at the time, the modernist bishops - not queens, but all hearty, hail-fellow-well-met types like Hesburgh - refused to support Humanae Vitae and this was the opening wedge. Once the average Catholic in the pew realized that you were permitted to pick what you wanted to support (because it was easiest for you, obviously) and what you didn't, based on the example of their bishops, all bets were off and the authority of the Pope and of the heirarchy, including the local diocesan bishop, collapsed.

1,000 posted on 05/17/2009 1:39:39 PM PDT by livius
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