APA revises 'gay gene' theory (not likely that homosexuals are born that way)

One News Now ^ | 5/14/2009 | Charlie Butts

[neocon1984]

As a research psychologist for over 20 years, I am not aware of this publication. (It is a PC area that I will never get involved with). I am interested in the citation. Does anyone have it?

I suspect that people are misreading this, but I don’t have the article. IMHO, homosexual behavior is probably like “intelligence”. Some of it is learned. Some of it is genetically influenced (mostly at the extreme ends). The question is “how much influence does genetics have?”

Over time, the role of genetics in intelligence seems to have increased (while the lefties work furiously at redefining “intelligence”). I suspect that over time, the influence of genetics on homosexuality will be far lower than many topside estimates (10-15%). But, we simply don’t know.

[wvguy]

There’s not enough acid in my car battery to cleanse my eyes of that.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" we observe homosexuality in penguins only when we thrust them into very UNNATURAL, ABNORMAL circumstances (i.e. growing up with no mother and no contact whatsoever with females of the species). "

Isn't that what the Feminist agenda is or has done ? ... it's call the battle of the sexes.
The Feminist of no other group has pitted the women against the men.
Maybe there is something to your statement that the male penguins were un naturally placed in a un natural setting .... could the same be for males of the human species who turned gay ?

[freespirited]

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

The author is confused. Genetic factors are not the only ones that cause a person to be "born that way."

There are als non-genetic biological factors. A good example is the uterine environment. This IMO is where one sees the most promising research on this issue.

I am loathe to proclaim any characteristic free of any biological influence. It is exceedingly unlikely.

[OrangeHoof]

First, the APA has become very political and I doubt they would intentionally claim there’s no proof of genetic homosexuality.

I feel certain that -*for some*- (at least), it is not genetic at all. In today’s society, it has even become chic and I feel some have chosen to be gay because it has become a societal identifier, not because it is a sexual proclivity.

My liberal brother became one and, while he will deny it, I am certain he was not “born gay”. He hid Playboy magazines in his bedroom as a teen just like the other boys in our house.

But I feel there were two major issues that led him into homosexuality. One is that he found he wasn’t in much demand by girls. And as he socialized, he found he was welcomed by gays. Naturally, he gravitated to the group where he found acceptance.

Secondly, he’s become more liberal. As liberal dogma preaches that hetero white males are the source of all evil in the world and the “oppressor class”, he found he couldn’t do anything about being white or male but he *could* do something about being hetero - so, in this way, he could move psychologically from oppressor to oppressed, from victimizer to victim, which allows him to be a member in good standing with his liberal friends.

Some of you probably think I am nuts for believing this but he once confided that he wouldn’t have turned out gay if he’d only found the “right girl”.

So while I could be persuaded that some homosexuals may have a genetic trigger that makes them that way, I believe many more are that way because of social conditioning, including the lunacy of liberal dogma that puts everyone in a group and then assigns blame or exoneration of people based on which group they are in.

[SunkenCiv]

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[BobL]

“My liberal brother became one and, while he will deny it, I am certain he was not “born gay”. He hid Playboy magazines in his bedroom as a teen just like the other boys in our house.”

Excellent post, thanks. Sorry about your brother - I am certain that society is the major factor for gay guys. For lesbos, it is the only factor (i.e., that’s the only way a lesbo can show she’s a real feminist). We need society to discourage this garbage and make gays feel unwelcome...as that will reduce the number of them, and result in a healthier society overall.

[huldah1776]

So how long will this take to get into the text books?

[grumpa]

Thanks. We added a link to our article about this new info:

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights

[hinckley buzzard]

They tried to run this same explanation for alcoholism years ago. I recall some AA members I knew laughing and saying they never knew there was a gene that made you cash your paycheck in a bar instead of going to the bank down the street.

Much ado about nothing here.

[neverdem]

BTTT!

[NinoFan]

“An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there’s no homosexual “gene” — meaning it’s not likely that homosexuals are born that way.”

One does not follow the other.

[scripter]

Interesting comments:

Regarding change and the right to treatment, lesbian activist Camille Paglia offered the following observations:

"Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.....

"Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is refractory, once the sensory pathways have been blazed and deepened by repetition-a phenomenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction....helping gays to learn to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perfectly worthy aim.

"We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pause a the prepubescent stage where children anxiously band together by gender....current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice,' that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Source Paglia, C., Vamps and tramps. New York: Vintage Books. 1994, pp. 70, 72, 76, 77, 78, 91

[scripter]

Prominent research teams Byne and Parsons, and also Friedman and Downey, each concluded that there was no evidence to support a biologic theory, but rather that homosexuality could be best explained by an alternative model where "temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieu as the individual's sexuality emerges" (Byne and Parsons, 1993; Friedman and Downey, 1993).

Pulled from: http://www.narth.com/docs/innate.html

[scripter]

"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project

[NinoFan]

“We need society to discourage this garbage and make gays feel unwelcome...as that will reduce the number of them, and result in a healthier society overall.”

Good luck with that. Even if you succeed, all you’re doing is reducing the number of open homos. The number of closet cases will increase.

[Veto!]

V. beautiful and v. stylish have nothing to do with good parenting on the issue of gender orientation. One might say preoccupation with beauty and style directs focus of parent elsewhere

Excellent thinking. Come to think of it, my beautiful stylish friend is as shallow as they come. Though intelligent, her entire focus is on surfaces.

[happygrl]

A process called METHOLATION can occur at any time in your life to turn on or turn off genes.

Interesting.

That may explain some men and women I have known who have done a 180 in middle age, and "embraced" a homosexual identity.

In the case of women, there is even a strange change in physical appearance.

[happygrl]

I believe you as I had a friend who became gay as a middle-aged man who ran out of causes as a heterosexual married father of grown up children.

He had to find another role to play that made him "heroic", so he became gay.

[IbJensen]

But, but Perez Hilton was born to be an obnoxious pervert!

No?

Then it must have become an acquired taste for Perez and Barney.