Posted on 05/14/2009 8:26:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Morality and the Irrationality of an Evolutionary Worldview
by Dr. Georgia Purdom and Dr. Jason Lisle
May 13, 2009
Morality is a very difficult problem for the evolutionary worldview. This is not to say that evolutionists are somehow less moral than biblical creationists—or anyone else. Most evolutionists adhere to a moral code and believe in the concept of right and wrong. But evolutionists have no rational reason for this position. Thus, only creationists have a rational, logical, and consistent reason for morality...
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Most cultures managed to figure that one out. Seems more like it comes from human reason than Divine Authority.
BUT, do you want to know how NON Jews settled things in those days? They nailed them to stakes and left them there to die and rot in the sun.
Man, those evo’s sure had “morality” in those days huh?
Really? Name a few "cultures" that figured that out. Most I've studied regularly raided and killed everyone outside their tribe.
What "evo's" are you speaking of, specifically?
All Non believers of any age period. We can safely call them "evolutionists" can't we? After all, they believed in anything but God, just as evo's do now.
Ahhh... so you mean that the biblical morality of Deuteronomy (killing family members who decide to develop another faith for example) was only ok in those specific circumstances that you mention. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that. Rationality indeed!!
Ahhh... so you mean that the biblical morality of Deuteronomy (killing family members who decide to develop another faith for example) was only ok in those specific circumstances that you mention. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that. Rationality indeed!!
It's funny to see Biblical theists arguing for "rational, logical, and consistent reasons for morality", since they certainly have no basis for any such thing.
For example, killing babies is sometimes the right thing to do according to the Bible:
'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.--1 Samuel 15:3
Many other Biblical examples could be given, demonstrating theistic justification for almost every conceivable act of immorality. For instance, Judges 21:10-24 authorizes rape.
In light of these sort of Biblical commandments, the argument put forth in this thread is quite silly.
Sure we do...God is the author of our rationality, whereas the author of the Evos logic is random processes plus differential survival.
Most human specific traits were selected for because of their advantage during tribal warfare. War is a team-player super-predator activity, with the bar of difficultly gradually raised automatically as fighters evolve. This explains why humans evolved intelligence far in excess of the natural need to find food or shelter.
Although Darwin wrote about the tribal warfare, modern evolutionists are very uncomfortable with war being such a significant driver of human evolution. It means we are war makers by nature and this trait can't be suppressed. The problem is humans could not have evolved by natural selection alone. There is insufficient evolutionary pressure to explain our trajectory. This refusal to acknowledge our war making disposition gives creationists a valid point: natural selection can't explain human evolution. It just doesn't add up.
Religion, by the way, serves as a powerful advantage during tribal warfare. A tribe with religion beats one without almost every time. That is why so many of us have the gift of religious faith.
And why do you insist on portraying Christians today who follow the gospel as tribal Jews living in Moses's time?
We don't kill people for switching faiths. In fact the christian church never has in all it's days.
If it wasn't for the Christian Church, western society would never have climbed out of the dark ages. It was the "glue" that held Europe together long enough so it could develop to the society it is today. (although it's now in decline since the beginning of the 20th century, following the decline of faith)
Your argument along theses lines doesn't hold water, because in Samuel 15:2-3, it's God himself speaking in the passage!
That means a lot coming from you seeing how the terrorist group responsible for more suicide bombings than any other terrorist group in the world are revolutionary evolutionists!
You were speaking of non-Jewish cultures circa 1250 BCE. It seems to be your assertion that people such as the Egyptians and Hittites (for example) of that period were atheistic evolutionists.
That seems a very odd thing to believe, given what I know of those cultures.
As did the Israelites even AFTER their carved in stone "rational, logical, and consistent reason for morality" was handed to them. It took several hundred years for them to work out Golden Rule.
Pack animals hunt and exist on instinct and fear. In fact fear is their entire motivating factor. Even within the pack, survival is the ruler. a wolf certainly does keep a kill for itself, especially males. The female is first to eat her kill the cubs fight for the leftover and establish a pecking order.
As for all that "human selection" stuff, blah blah blah. Humans didn't "evolve" they were created with rational, thinking minds, something animals do not possess. We posses all the same faculties we were created with. Our adaptability is all information stored in our genes that becomes active as our environment warrants. Move to the mountains, each generation will develop bigger lungs. If they move back to sea level, they reduce. Always has been that way.
In the context of political activism (where this is posted) that means it should moral imperative to make it illegal for anyone except a creationist to be a scientist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_creationism
DUH! Of course the Jews kept sinning, what do you think the bible is all about? Why do you think God kept punishing them?
Are you telling me only evolutionists can live without sin?
Sure, by making everything lawful and good, hence sucking another guys dohicky is "ok". LMAO!
OH boy.. too mucH!
They aren't? If humans aren't animals, what are they? Plants? Fungi?
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