Posted on 05/02/2009 6:52:12 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
Former governors Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush joined Congressman Eric Cantor to talk health care, the economy and national security at the first town hall meeting for the National Council for a New America on Saturday. But the group steered clear of abortion and same-sex marriage -- wedge issues that have led to the defection of moderates and independents.
"Listening to people can make a difference. We've got ideas on how we can help people get health insurance, how we can improve our schools, how we can make our economy strong today as well as down the road, how we can reform entitlements -- these are the people of America that have these ideas," Romney said. "We want to share these ideas with one another, and make sure that we're laying out a vision and a plan for America that makes our lives and the lives of our kids better."
Romney lost the Republican presidential primary to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in the 2008 election. Since President Obama's election, the Republicans have come under danger of being locked into a filibuster-proof Senate.
Romney said that the focus needs to be return to the American people, rather than elected officials.
"America is great because of the American people, and the skill and ingenuity and entrepreneurship of America. That's what we happen to believe," Romney said of himself, Congressman Eric Cantor and former governor Jeb Bush. "I happen to think right now with regards to our economy,that we're risking doing the very thing to our economy that government did to our housing market. And that is borrow so much money that you create a bubble that ultimately collapses."
Can dish it out but can’t take the heat!
Oh well!
Once again, Romney's legion of trained capuchin monkeys
descend like harpies to attack posters of URLs and references.
Why? Because to a RomneyBOT, truth is abhorent. Like water to a witch.
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LOL!
Mormons are always seem willing to forego the truth, to further their chase for their throne! Why is that?
Realized the wisdom you can not put new wine in an old bottle!
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Wow, Resty, using the words of Christ (and completely out of context) to support Mitt. Do you think Jesus would support homosexuality and abortion like Mitt does?
But going with your interpretation, then let Mitt start his OWN party, and leave the GOP alone.
Mormons are always seem willing to forego the truth, to further their chase for their throne! Why is that?
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You guys keep saying it is not about his religion yet you still seem to return there!
I have no clue what you mean by the throne there is no throne involved if you have been reading my post.
Now most likely Romney is not running for president yet the person you can not leave alone why is that?
You must have folks you know who really do things like you claim Romney does yet you don’t hound them!
I think after reading many post here it still is the religion!
If you knew anything about me as you claim to you would know I despised Reid, call Hatch office for undermining Toomey, don’t care much for Huntsman who funded McCain.
BTW I back Bush over Hatch in the presidency I don’t dislike Hatch just that Bush seems more viable!
So why out of all these men do I defend Romney because I know he is none of what any of the tyrants claim he is!
Mormons are always seem willing to forego the truth, to further their chase for their throne! Why is that?
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Probably because their founding Prophet made this prophecy (called the ‘White Horse’ prophecy) and they are trying to fulfill it.
from a discourse delivered by Joseph Smith July 19, 1840....
“We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace untill the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves, what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c. Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad. When the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth. Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff up[on] which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear the constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 391-392)
the anti Mormon stalks again...
New wine in an old bottle is to also to be recognized in life where is there is a need there is no law not to apply biblical lessons in one life!
The Republican party old bottle seems to be riddled with corruption.
There is a new party on the horizon forming a new bottle.
It is up to all citizens to nurture so it become viable.
Mormons are always seem willing to forego the truth, to further their chase for their throne! Why is that?
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Another interesting note. Many claim the LDS are great patriots, while this may be true TODAY, it wasn’t always so.
Up until the 1930’s (when Mitt’s Grandfather went through), the LDS were required to take an “oath of vengeance” on Americans for the death of Joesph Smith. There was a strong sense that the ENTIRE US was guilty of his death (he actually died in a gunfight).
Furthermore there are many quotes by their early leaders that show a real hatred and desire for destruction of the United States.
Oath of Vengance:
... Brigham raised his hand and said, “I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.” ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation (The Confessions of John D. Lee, p.160).
About 4:30 p.m. this meeting adjourned and was followed by a meeting of Presidents Woodruff, Cannon and Smith and Bros. Lyman and Grant.... In speaking of the recent examination before Judge Anderson Father said that he understood when he had his endowments in Nauvoo that he took an oath against the murderers of the Prophet Joseph as well as other prophets, and if he had ever met any of those who had taken a hand in that massacre he would undoubtedly have attempted to avenge the blood of the martyrs (”Daily Journal of Abraham H. Cannon,” December 6, 1889, pp.205-206).
Elder Kimball showed the right fashion for a leaf, spoke of Elder Richards being protected at Carthage Jail, having on the robe, while Joseph and Hyrum and Elder Taylor were shot to pieces, said the Twelve would have to leave shortly, for a charge of treason would be brought against them for swearing us to avenge the blood of the anointed ones, and some one would reveal it and we shall have to part some say between sundown and dark.…and I have covenanted, and never will rest nor my posterity after me until those men who killed Joseph and Hyrum have been wiped out of the earth. (Journal of William Clayton).
Increase McGee Van Dusen, who later left the LDS stated: “We are required to kneel at this altar, where we have an oath administered to the effect, that we will, from this time henceforth and forever, use our influence to murder this nation, and teach it to our posterity and all that we have influence over, in return for their killing the Prophet Joseph. They say the murdering of Smith is a national offense. It is true that all was not personally engaged in the act; but the nation has long winked at the abuse of the Mormons, and in this way they have encouraged mobs from time to time, until they have finally taken the life of the Lord’s Prophet, and now it is the will of the Lord, that the nation should be destroyed; and this is his will, that we shall enter into this secret conspiracy against the Government, &c., for the above reasons and many more given.”
Richard K. Fox wrote “We were then made to swear to avenge the death of Joseph Smith, the martyr, together with that of his brother, Hiram, on this American Nation, and that we would teach our children and children’s children to do so. The penalty for this grip and oath was disembowelment (Mysteries of Mormonsim).
The attitude of many LDS at the time shows antagonism toward the United States:
Heber C. Kimball wrote: “James Buchanan now occupies the chair of state. He and his counsellors, his coadjutors, his cabinet, and Congress have met and planned the destruction of this people—of brother Brigham and his associates in particular; and the priests of the day say amen to it; and they exhort the people to say amen to it; and the whole people of the United States are under condemnation. They consented to the death of Joseph, Hyrum, David, Parley, and lots of men, women, and children. (Journal of Discourses, Vol 5, page 253).
“The order of God’s church and kingdom is the strongest government ever known on this earth, and if the people of this great nation entertain any fears of the consequence or effects of such a government, why, I ask, don’t you of the nation, you of Congress, you of the Cabinet, if you please, embrace this order of government and establish it over the nation! You can do it. You can repent of your sins, every one of you, and be baptized for a remission of them. You can adopt and extend this strong government which God has established in these mountains, and if you will do it, God will establish you and the government and this nation never to depart from before His face; and you shall be made the means of helping to bring everlasting righteousness—the millen[n]ium—upon this land, and of causing the Spirit of God to rest down upon all flesh. Is it not worth your while to engage in a thing of this kind? But, ah! The terrible fact exists that the blood of the prophets is upon this nation, although the nation has not shed their blood, yet a sovereign state permitted it, and the nation have not washed their hands from it. (Apostle F.D Richards, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 26, page 345).
Apostle Orson Hyde wrote the following: “The blood of Joseph and Hyrum was shed—mingled too with the blood of brother Taylor, who survived, and who is here a living witness to the facts that occurred in connection with their death. Has the nation atoned for that blood? No. Have they offered to do it? They never have. But if one poor scamp should happen to be killed in this country, in this region, the whole of the United States are ready to fly to arms to avenge the blood of that individual, that never was worth the powder and lead to kill him. But the Prophets of God that are inspired of the Almighty to do a work for the benefit of the human family can be killed, and no man lay it to heart. Oh, it is all very well: to be sure, it was an outrageous deed to murder them when they were in the hands of the law—when they were held as prisoners; it was a horrid act: at the same time, we are glad it is done. That is the feeling, and the universal feeling almost throughout the United States. There was hardly a man, woman, or child that did not assent to the death of Joseph and Hyrum, but objected to the way in which it was done. “It is not exactly honourable or pleasing, but we are glad of it anyhow.” That is the sentiment of the nation, and by that very sentiment they have drawn upon themselves the anger of God; and that blood has to be atoned for, and it has to be atoned for upon all those that have said, We are glad of it!—that have secretly said so and cherished that idea. It will extend to them all who have consented to the death of the Prophet of God. Now, says the Lord, “To him that overcometh will I give power over the nations.” Did Joseph Smith overcome, even unto death? Yes. Was God with him? Yes, he was. When they were about to cut off his head, behold, the power of the Almighty came down, and the men stood as it were like marble statues: they could not move, but stood there like Lot’s wife—not pillars of salt, but pillars of petrified corruption. The power of the Almighty came down with the vivid glare of lightning’s flash, and they had no power to take his head off. Was God with him? Yes. Was his death glorious? Yes. What was his glory? One portion of it is—”To him that overcometh will I give power over the nations.” A portion of his honour and glory will be to enforce his word and see it take effect among the people and nation that have said, We are glad that he is killed! They cannot avoid it by going through death. They will have to be arraigned under the government and jurisdiction of their murdered victims. (Journal of Discourses, Vol 6, p. 154)
I never intend to winter in the United States except on a visit. We do not owe this country a single sermon. We calculated to go all the while, for I do not intend to stay in such an Hell of a Hole and if this be your mind, signify it by saying Hie—which was loudly responded to by the assembly—they are continually accusing us of stealing their horses and cattle. I wish some of the brethren would steal and kill them. (On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout, 1844-1861, Vol. 1, p73).
Now most likely Romney is not running for president yet the person you can not leave alone why is that?
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Then I have news for you...
Romney is running for POTUS 2012
Running in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 20012 for 2012...
Meanwhile Romney, the girl in men’s britches, has to hide behind females skirts...
Tipical...
the anti Mormon stalks again...
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Did you just call Reaganaut a “terrorist” ???
Do we need to talk about Mountain Meadows Massacre ???
The Centerville Massacre ???
The Bear River Massacre ???
Debate my a**, a person is either a conservative or they are not. This whole diversity thing is what has made the GOP what it is today, demwit lite. I want no debate with moderates, I want moderates out of my party, along with all really left leaning RINOs.
If they don't re-instate true Conservative values I will leave, soon, and become an independent. I just tore up my RNC renewal, after debating whether to send a scorching remark or not, but decided WTH, they wouldn't listen anyway.
What you have to know about moderates, is that they are not moderate, they are left, they don't want debate, they want capitulation from the conservatives. If you can't see there is a bold push on to get conservatives to swing to the "moderate" side, read that swing to the left, then you have a big problem facing reality.
True, but with debate we hone in our skills and ability to present our ideals to all types of people. We can’t simply sit on our asses and expect people to come to us because we are conservatives. This requires going out there and spreading the word regarding conservatism. We sat on our asses during the Bush administration, thinking everyone knew what conservatism was. when we were actually deluding ourselves.
Wow
These are interesting times
loyalty is a strange thing for some if there are more shiny toys over there, how soon they forget those when they had nothing!
I think we have new rising stars and they need to be nurture carefully as not to be oppressed by the old boys club to walk the walk inorder to move up in ranks.
That is why a new party is needed so they are not under the thumbs of that ulgy machine.
In my heart when one is green it is hard to know how to bob and weave thoughs pit falls etc...
the world is getting more treacherous as well as those who lack vision and end up on the road as tyrants.
the anti Mormon stalks again..
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That would be a GREAT title for a novel! May I use it?
*New wine in an old bottle is to also to be recognized in life where is there is a need there is no law not to apply biblical lessons in one life!*
But taking the Bible out of context to apply to life’s lessons leads to ERROR.
*The Republican party old bottle seems to be riddled with corruption.*
On that we agree.
*There is a new party on the horizon forming a new bottle.*
Where? And does this mean Mitt will leave the GOP alone?
You guys keep saying it is not about his religion yet you still seem to return there!
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I do not hate Romney because of his religion. I hate him because he is not a conservative and is/was draining funds from Conservative candidates. I hate him (and it used to just be dislike until these threads) because he is not a conservative.
I do not TRUST him, however, because he is Mormon. Have you ever read “The darker side of Virtue” by Anson Shupe? I see a lot of Mitt type tactics in that book.
Up until the 1930’s (when Mitt’s Grandfather went through), the LDS were required to take an “oath of vengeance” on Americans for the death of Joesph Smith. There was a strong sense that the ENTIRE US was guilty of his death (he actually died in a gunfight).
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and “to teach it to (their) children from the nursery; impress it upon them from the death-bed; entail it upon them as a legacy.”
From one of the mormons who went through the temple in 1854...
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On Friday, February 10, 1854, pursuant to notice I had received, with no other instructions than to wear a clean shirt, myself and wife went to the Council House, Salt Lake City, at about seven o’clock in the morning. About thirty persons were previously waiting there, who were to be “endowed from on high” that day. Our names, with full particulars of birth, marriage, etc., were all registered in a record; our tithing-ofice receipts examined, because, before hearing the music, it is first’ necessary to “pay the piper.” All those who had not been previously “sealed” to their wives, were then sealed by Heber C. Kimball, who has under his peculiar direction the giving of the endowment, and we were nshered into a long room which was divided into many little compartments by white screens.
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Man and woman, we were ranged around the place; Kimball in the same, and Brigham in the next room looking on; Parley Pratt officiating, and the fourth oath was administered. The allegory presumed that man, now in a fair and certain way to salvation, had a great temporal duty to perform, not an “abstract theory” of obedience, nor obedience in “abstract things”, but a great positive, present, immediate duty.
We were, therefore,
SWORN TO CHERISH CONSTANT ENMITY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT for not avenging the death of Smith, or righting the persecutions of the Saints; TO DO ALL WE COULD TOWARD DESTROYING, TEARING DOWN, OR OVERTURNING THAT GOVERNMENT;
to endeavor to baffle its designs and frustrate its intentions; to renounce all allegiance and refuse all submission. If unable to do any thing ourselves toward the accomplishment of these objects, to teach it to our children from the nursery; impress it upon them from the death-bed; entail it upon them as a legacy. To make it the one leading idea and sacred duty of their lives; so that “the kingdom of God and his Christ” (the Mormon Church and its priesthood) “might subdue all other kingdoms and fill the whole earth.”
Curses the most frightful, penalties the most barbarous, were threatened and combined in the obligation either on failing to abide or in daring to reveal these covenants. A new sign, a new key-word, a new grip, and the second degree of Melchisedec priesthood was administered.
We were now acceptable to God, and could approach him as children, but had to learn how to pray.
(John Hyde, Mormonism: its leaders and designs, 1857 Pp 90, 97, 98)
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who made your opinions the arbiter reaganaut?
I know this is a public forum I know you have it in for me because I am LDS, it is quite obvious as well as a few of you co-horts and take every opportunity to take swipes!
Well I am not going away and just to let those other freepers who see me, I have an anti LDS shadow!
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