Posted on 04/26/2009 12:14:37 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
CHICAGO – Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die. Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals “so that everybody will be thinking in the same way” when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.
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A pity that you know or see people such as you describe.
“You’ll note that those with full-blown AIDS are not listed)”
Someone with AIDS would fall into the category of chronic disease, and that would decrease their chance of a positive outcome. In most cases, someone with equivalent need, would receive treatment first, because they would have a much higher probability of success.
I get what you’re saying: the Lord’s Supper.
(Protestant, here... I believe it is Jesus that cleans man’s soul, not baptism; baptism being only a sign, like circumcision was a sign.)
But,if it is Jesus that saves you from hell and death and the slavery of sin [we’re recovering from our captivity, and there are Stockholm-syndrome/addictions to sin that we are rehabilitating from], then we are in agreement.
Egypt [Sin] is not where we want to be, but the promised land [Heaven].
“This is the Nazi Death Plan reborn for our times.”
That is ridiculous. Most of these protocols have been in effect for years, and are just being publicized. Triage is used every day and has been since WWII. It is designed to save lives, not take them.
If a first responder comes to an accident site, with one transport vehicle (additional vehicles are 30 minutes away), and there are three patients who need immediate care, how do you propose the FR decides who gets transported first? Without being a Nazi, of course.
I am recovering from cancer and need dialysis every other day. My treatment costs more than I can earn on my job. Do I get to live or die?
I suggest all current members of Congress.
That should make us all feel better......not
He would fit the “demented” criteria.
I am taking 5000 units of Vitamin D3 daily, and I also get a dose of Semplar weekly while on dialysis. So I imagine my dosage is in the right direction.
>Do I get to live or die?
Yes.
Never mind, I am taking mega doses of Vitamin D and will do just fine.
Marked to read later
It just dawned on me—the title, date it was reported and the swine flu...
LOL - You didn’t get the little logic-joke. You used an ‘or’ there saying “will I live or die?” so the answer is yes, either way.
But I wouldn’t know.
I didn’t say anything about things as they are now, but as in a triage situation; think like a battlefield hospital: you have dozens of soldiers and a limited supply and doctors/man-power, you have to go with the idea of save as many as we can; like I said, a resource management problem.
That’s all triage is, the application of the reality of logistics (limited supplies and limited capabilities) to the problem. Think about it this way, you could also have the best surgeon in the world, but after keeping him up working non-stop for days on end he would become so tired that his skills, capabilities, strength, presence-of-mind all drop to the level where he would be more likely to kill even savable patients.
I wonder where trial lawyers fit on the list ...
Hopefully on the casualty list.
Do not know. Probably the same as me, whichever.
In the real world, I'd agree with you. However in the Øbamanation States of Amerikkka, they will scream "homophobia" (a nonsensical word, if there ever was one), and be bumped to the front of the line...by government fiat.
I wonder if you’re right — did you see the article about “doctor shortage”?
Ya wonder...what it really says about a society who’s major papers speculate such as this in the face of impending tragedy...where is the advice about how to care for one another in the face of a swamped health care system?...etc...
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