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Dem Congressman: ‘Nobody in This Country Realizes That Cap-and-Trade is a Tax’(Climate Pirates)
http://www.breitbart.tv ^ | 04-24-2009 | http://www.breitbart.tv

Posted on 04/24/2009 1:58:13 PM PDT by Maelstorm

"Nobody in this country realizes that cap-and-trade is a tax -- and it's a great big one," Rep. John Dingell (D-Michigan) said Friday.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 111th; capandtrade; dingell; michigan; taxincrease
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To: Maelstorm
Technically, “cap and trade” does not have to involve a tax. The government could simply set the cap & distribute the emission credits without charge. These credits would then be traded amongst producers.

The Obama version involves a huge tax grab; because the government would charge for the emission credits. It doesn't have to be that way — but, the tax grab is obviously what Obama really wants.

21 posted on 04/24/2009 2:26:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Pantera

“Poor people will get “energy vouchers” to cover the energy bills. this is another redistribution scheme.”

They will have no incentive to conserve since you will be paying their bill.


22 posted on 04/24/2009 2:30:48 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Maelstorm

Cap and trade will never pass. Too many dem congressmen and senators have to face their electorate next year.


23 posted on 04/24/2009 2:36:41 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The government could simply set the cap & distribute the emission credits without charge. These credits would then be traded amongst producers.

Meaning, they would be bought and sold among producers.

Thats a cost that gets passed to the rate payer, and its an opportunity for financial mischief that will make Oil for Food look like a kid's piggy bank, just like Oil for Food made Enron look like a kid's piggy bank.

24 posted on 04/24/2009 2:36:56 PM PDT by marron
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To: Maelstorm

This is kind of funny. I wonder how Dingle voted regarding taxes in the past?


25 posted on 04/24/2009 2:37:23 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Maelstorm

its a very big tax. the poor and middle class are going to be hardest hit


26 posted on 04/24/2009 2:40:06 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Maelstorm

A Democrat said this? Maybe there is HOPE. Or maybe some Dems are already fearing the CHANGE Congress will see after the next election.


27 posted on 04/24/2009 2:52:50 PM PDT by giotto
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Regardless it will have a huge economic impact because companies have to comply with the number of credits they are given and doing so will be VERY expensive even if the government gives them away. It is just a shell game.


28 posted on 04/24/2009 3:02:40 PM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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To: giotto

He never said he was against it and he was speaking among friends. Cap and Trade is just another stupid layer of bureaucracy for companies to have to deal with and we end up paying for it big time in the end.


29 posted on 04/24/2009 3:05:09 PM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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To: Maelstorm
Cap and Trade is just another stupid layer of bureaucracy for companies to have to deal with and we end up paying for it big time in the end.

Yes, but GE will be the better for it.

30 posted on 04/24/2009 3:09:33 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: GeronL
the poor and middle class are going to be hardest hit

Not really. The poor will get subsidized energy costs from the income on cap & trade. TOTUS said so in one of its speeches.

31 posted on 04/24/2009 3:10:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

The price of everything will go up. everything


32 posted on 04/24/2009 3:20:25 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: GeronL

Yes it will and that’s not counting inflation to come.


33 posted on 04/24/2009 3:23:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: GeronL

It will kill me and my family. We will have to move in an apt, me go back to work and my kids will have to stay home without me which would suck, but we’d do what we would have to.This better not pass. We can’t afford it!


34 posted on 04/24/2009 3:26:56 PM PDT by Halls (Esther 4:16 If I Parish, I parish.)
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To: giotto
VIDEO: Barack Obama: "Under my plan, which is a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily sykrocket..."

Roll this out during a deep economic recession... brilliant.

35 posted on 04/24/2009 3:36:22 PM PDT by 24-7Freeper
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To: Maelstorm
I just think it's hilarious that the same Democrats who joined a 98-0 vote against Kyoto are now FORCING the same garbage down our throats.
36 posted on 04/24/2009 3:53:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's time to waterboard that teleprompter and find out what it knows.)
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To: rjsimmon

Dear sir.

Just wanted to make you aware that you are half correct. The sheep who voted for people like Obama and yourself are in fact unware that this is a tax that will cause our bills to increase by $1800 a year.

The rest of us are aware and we are a bit ticked off. If you would be so kind as to hold daily press conferences repeating what you said here, I would have the ability to respect at least one elected democrat.


37 posted on 04/24/2009 4:00:47 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TADSLOS
"Yes, but GE will be the better for it."

No they won't but it doesn't seem to matter to the current management team.

38 posted on 04/24/2009 4:47:25 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: yazoo
Boy are you optimistic. It is coming, so get ready, all of the Utilities are taking defensive action which will further depress the construction industry.
39 posted on 04/24/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Maelstorm

If we really believed that carbon was a problem, and if we really wanted to do something about it, the answer is to build more nukes. And then build more nukes.


40 posted on 04/24/2009 5:18:09 PM PDT by marron
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